of course its a lie, harav kaniefsky is my cousin and i know him very well, he would never talk like that or say such stupid things and doesnt think that having an i-phone is an issue if used correctly, its too long to comment here, but suffice it to say i had a conversation with him about it and he said its fine if you need it for work or other things, so this letter is false!!
Let's be real. This has happened numerous times before: some askan/rabbi will go to a gadol and be like "the entire klal Yisrael is in danger of being ruined because of X! sign here!". (Does anyone remember when Lipa got banned the 1st or 2nd time?) Things like this have been happening with gedolim and innovations since forever – the gadol usually isn't a computer science expert, and relies on trusted advisors.
While this is totally an issue here, it's not the first time and now with the age of 3-d printing, wearable technology, and Google glass (smashing bochurim's glasses because they *might* have internet in them? "kosher" glasses vs treif Google ones?) – it probably won't be the last.
Having read this page, I feel greatly comforted for whether we follow the Halakhah to the letter or not, we are probably all "mamzerim" according to Rabbi Kanievsky. So don't worry friends, we are all in the same boat – except for this "all-knowing" rabbi who thinks he has the true understanding. No matter what you do, you will probably be wrong anyway. How about just giving expression to your intention in the presence of the divine Sheh'inah and forgetting about R Kanievsky's sophistry?
I agree. I'm do not know the rabbi mentioned, but every time I got to ask a question to a Rabbi, I got a thoughtful and levelheaded answer, so I have to conclude that, unless he comes to tell me so in person, I just will ignore the rumor.
Comment by Myriam Obadia — December 26, 2013 @ 12:56 PM
cmon people..grow up. you are all wasting time with stupidity..nothing better to do? I understand these comments are upsetting, but are TOTALLY FALS!! .Forgive me for sharing, but I must say, that I feel MUCH pity for anyone who has no belief in a godol like reb Chaim Kaniefsky. I have been through many crisis' in my life and through EXPERIENCES that many could not withstand, I was ONLY able to survive because I believed and listened to GEDOLIM. A godol is not "just" a Ruv..he has deep understanding of people and hashem's ways besides halacha.ALSO, They have very caring hearts , patience and sympathy, and would never put someone in a difficult situation unless they know something we dont. I have many times given in and listened to gedolim's advise , though inside me I disagreed, and later on , I clearly saw that it saved my life and mynperceptions were wrong and blinded.Gedolim like Reb Kaniefsky shlita , and( lehavdil , )Reb Moshe, Rav Pam, Rav Kaminetsky. zatsal …..these were our "eyes".Wake up and smell the coffe kinderlech…
I personally know Rabbi Aaron Shlomo Feinhandler , he is the most genuine Rabbi beyond what we could ever imagine , I happened to listen to a disc that he put out on this exact subject regarding the internet so I have know doubt that these comments were made by Rabbi Kanievsky
I also had a hard time with this but Rabbi Kanievsky
often says very strong stuff that Americans for sure have difficulty with .
So if we want to comply with Rabbi Kanievsky the only solution is to use a filterthat prevents photos that are not znius from your screen .
Rabbi Fienhandler is the finest person in the whole world .
Comment by Anonymous — December 26, 2013 @ 5:14 PM
BH It happened before a lot of times such letters were forged Ect. Rabbi Kanevsky is one of the Gdoley ha dor. Recently when there was a problem and danger from Syria & Israelis were buying gas mask. Rav Kanevsky said: ” masks are for Purim, everything will be good with us…” the rest you know…
This is nothing that's new. My uncle has been on this crusade for a while now, but I don't think he would've intentionally misled anyone in it. He's a very straight-forward man and even though I'm not at all religious anymore I am very disappointed at your claiming that he pulled one over on Rav Kanievsky. I suggest calling or visiting the Rav Aharon Feinhandler and checking directly with the man before you publish such an outlandish, libelous claim again..
Comment by Ariela Jayosi — December 31, 2013 @ 7:07 AM
I'd like to add that it's important why HaRav Feinhandler is on this mission to rid the frum world of internet devices. Believe it or not, it's very little to do with porn, but more to do with his personal experiences in his own immediate family. He (falsely) believes that the reason for his son's divorce was because he connected to the internet and began learning 'worldy' things (ie stuff other than torah/gemara/etc). In fact, his youngest son is now an outspoken advocate for those who choose to leave the world of Beit Israel/Mea Shearim/etc. HaRav Feinhandler is a man with a broken heart because of his gross misunderstanding of technology and misappropriating it with, at least in his son's case, divorce and 'yarida' from the faith.
However, anyone here or anywhere else who tries to claim that MANY marital problems and psychological sexual problems (which run rampant in such a closed-off world) were not exasperated by what's available on the internet is lying to themselves and others. I have had many married 'frum' (hassidic and hareidi) guys propose sex and/or sexual behavior to me on the internet when I initially started my journey into becoming religious (~10 years ago). I was disgusted, but thankfully found a 'normal' niche of religious people elsewhere. We also know that pedophiles use the internet to look at child porn and other psychologically-disturbed people use it for similar purposes.
Anyone who wants to claim that the internet can't screw up the life of a person who is not equipped to deal with what they encounter is, as the author and some commenters so inappropriately claim what my great-uncle is, a liar.
Anyone who thinks that this Rav Kanievsky, who's made outlandish claims and rulings before, couldn't have said this because it's not suitable to their 'frum ears,' is in denial.
Anyone who writes/makes these claims about the Rav Feinhandler, an extremely religious man (and one I disagree with on most points, btw, incl. obviously his ruling re: the internet), is committing lashon hara.
Comment by Ariela Jayosi — December 31, 2013 @ 7:24 AM
Even if someone were to view immoral images on his device, it would not forbid him from being a witness. The Shulchan Aruch details who may and who may not be a witness. Someone who does not guard their eyes, is not on the list of those who may not.
Comment by Yossi-Chani Steele Royde — January 2, 2014 @ 2:20 AM
When I was studying in Israel a psak was publicized that Rav Elyashiv said one could not war crocs on Yom Kippur as they are too comfortable. My Rav heard about this so he went to Rav Elyashiv himself (he did this often) and asked him if its true. Rav Elyashiv said "What are Crocs?" so the Rav showed him one and he said "Is it made of leather? No? So why should it be assur!
Comment by Chaim Moore — January 2, 2014 @ 3:31 AM