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  1. Progressives are never good, no matter where they are from.

    Comment by Mark Martinez — February 4, 2014 @ 8:17 AM

  2. This is a terrifying trend!! Since the beginning of 2014, over 28 rockets were launched from Gaza at Israel by Gaza terrorists.

    Comment by Don Rogers — February 4, 2014 @ 8:25 AM

  3. libs against israel

    Comment by Gisele Pincus — February 4, 2014 @ 1:29 PM

  4. the man publicly announced that he is a communist & NY still voted for him…this says a great deal about the voters of NY & it is killing that once great state

    Comment by Shannon Newsom — February 4, 2014 @ 2:10 PM

  5. We use the word Jew, and I’m not trying to “go there” but being a Jew can mean almost anything. People get shocked, upset, angry, whatever because we say Jew and want to assume some vast uniformity. Really? When was that? Just ultra-liberals, anti-Israel, pro-Israel, extremist pro-Israel (Zionists)? I wonder if the word “Jew” has to be kicked real good as these other adjectives pass by. Or can the Jew part be the things we all share? Is there enough we all share to justify it? It’s bad enough that US politics has split Jews along Christian political lines.

    Comment by Shemaya Shiloh — February 4, 2014 @ 3:15 PM

  6. Check to see if they are Jews according to Halacha.

    Comment by Ronny Mol — February 4, 2014 @ 4:20 PM

  7. Those 58 just understand a thing about Judeo_Arab relationship. It does not exist. It will never exist not in our lifetime anyway. Israel and its policies haver nothing to do with their relation with the muslim world. It's a matter of religion. In the Sharia Jews are either good for butchering or forced conversion. The Dhimmi mentality still exists in the arab world. I feel sorry for those 58. They are not self hating Jews, they are just ignorant of the facts.

    Comment by Aldo Mimoun — February 4, 2014 @ 4:37 PM

  8. Many parts of the Jewish community that aren't politically committed to the State of Israel still care deeply about its welfare because it's populated by Jews. Chabad is an example: they're not officially Zionist But they care about Jews because in their mind caring for Jews is part of their job as Jews, and as a result anything that endangers the Jewish state is a concern to them if for no other reason than because there are a lot of Jews there, and a lot of Jewish history there, and the Kotel is there.

    L'havdil elef havalot, the idiots in the 58 are exactly the opposite: they care about politics to the exclusion of caring about Jews, because their ultimate loyalty is to their "progressive" political principles, not Jews, not Judaism, not the Torah, and not Israel.

    But there's a virtue in all of this: clarity. And while I am not sure I want to go to the place of one of the other commentators to this article, suggesting that these people aren't Jews, the good news is that we don't have to decide: the 58s' ultimate commitment to their politics, rather than to the Jews, the Jewish state, or the Torah, means that within a generation or two, people with commitments like this just won't be here, because they will have left.

    In a sense it's like the Torah's punishment of "kareit" — being cut off from the Jewish community for doing things like not fasting on Yom Kippur. Like many of the Torah's punishments, at the end of the day it's not so much a punishment as it is just a necessary consequence of peoples' actions. So here as well.

    May these anti-Jewish people, whether halachically Jewish or not, leave us speedily and in our days.

    Comment by Louie V. Yadua — February 4, 2014 @ 4:51 PM

  9. Many parts of the Jewish community that aren't politically committed to the State of Israel still care deeply about its welfare because it's populated by Jews. Chabad is an example: they're not officially Zionist But they care about Jews because in their mind caring for Jews is part of their job as Jews, and as a result anything that endangers the Jewish state is a concern to them if for no other reason than because there are a lot of Jews there, and a lot of Jewish history there, and the Kotel is there.

    L'havdil elef havalot, the idiots in the 58 are exactly the opposite: they care about politics to the exclusion of caring about Jews, because their ultimate loyalty is to their "progressive" political principles, not Jews, not Judaism, not the Torah, and not Israel.

    But there's a virtue in all of this: clarity. And while I am not sure I want to go to the place of one of the other commentators to this article, suggesting that these people aren't Jews, the good news is that we don't have to decide: the 58s' ultimate commitment to their politics, rather than to the Jews, the Jewish state, or the Torah, means that within a generation or two, people with commitments like this just won't be here, because they will have left.

    In a sense it's like the Torah's punishment of "kareit" — being cut off from the Jewish community for doing things like not fasting on Yom Kippur. Like many of the Torah's punishments, at the end of the day it's not so much a punishment as it is just a necessary consequence of peoples' actions. So here as well.

    May these anti-Jewish people, whether halachically Jewish or not, leave us speedily and in our days.

    Comment by Louie V. Yadua — February 4, 2014 @ 4:51 PM

  10. Good points Yadua. They have marked their own Exit signs.

    Comment by Lori Lowenthal Marcus — February 4, 2014 @ 4:58 PM

  11. shameful but no surprise here-NYC got what they voted for just like the NJ voters got what they voted for

    Comment by Fred Gottesman — February 4, 2014 @ 6:17 PM

  12. Liberals killed NYC during the Dinkins administration…and hopefully they wont do it this time. Already crime is up….

    Comment by Richard Sandler — February 4, 2014 @ 6:26 PM

  13. These “angry 58″ certainly don’t speak for this Jew.

    Comment by David Cutler — February 4, 2014 @ 8:06 PM

  14. These are the same fools who stayed in Germany, while Hitler ruled

    Comment by Murray Slimowitz — February 4, 2014 @ 8:53 PM

  15. there's an interesting irony here. the angry 58 conflate listening to AIPAC (door open) to "doing their bidding." this reflects much of the tendency of "progressives" to ban any center/right pro-Israel speakers from their venues. (i remember one such person going up to nancy kaufman after a debate in which Dan Pipes wiped the floor with Stephen Cohen on the peace process and saying, "Why did we give a right winger like Pipes a platform?")

    is there an unconscious fear that if one allows people to defend israel, that it will lead to their agreeing with them (hence the "doing their bidding")?

    the same phenomenon is on full display at hillel's where "progressives" want to be "open" to radical anti-israel groups, but won't let in people who defend israel.

    Comment by Richard Landes — February 4, 2014 @ 9:14 PM

  16. Not all liberal Jews are anti-Zionist. Anti-Israel liberal Jews like the "Angry 58" are an embarrassment to the rest of us liberal Jews- who make up most of the Jewish world population, and an increasingly large number of Jewish Israelis. And yes, Aldo, Jews and Arabs have a relationship. In and out of Israel, they are neighbors. They get along by necessity. It happens every day, although it rarely hits the papers. And it will happen more frequently and formally, when the Palestinians manage to elect a government that doesn't want to destroy Israel. And that WILL happen one day, when the Palestinians realize it's the only way out of their perpetual poverty.

    Comment by Lori Nevias — February 4, 2014 @ 10:41 PM

  17. Ultra Liberal? KAPOS is more like it

    Comment by George Naftali Muenz — February 5, 2014 @ 6:21 AM

  18. I am pretty sure it's not a good idea for the Mayor of New York — in a behind closed doors secret meeting with a powerful Jewish Group — to declare part of his job as a mayor of an American City is to defend a foreign nation. The ethnocentrism of the Zionists ensures their eventual downfall

    Comment by Joe Casey — February 5, 2014 @ 1:59 PM

  19. Note: It is most probable that collectively that group have no more than 100 children with 75% of them marrying out and hardly any involved in the Jewish faith. They are the final and distorted generation of their Jewish lineage. It's the end product of Judaism as merely an ethnicity.

    Comment by Gary Dalin — February 5, 2014 @ 3:55 PM

  20. Now my suspicions have bee realized..are those 58 really religous and now I know it's people like that that keep voting the likes of Obaman into office..Whatch out for those Muslim brotherhood guys who have been given supervisory positions in Obaman's government..

    Comment by Mary Hale — February 6, 2014 @ 1:31 AM

  21. Yesterday I watched a documentary that was filmed just after the holocaust was discovered and then the film was stored in a museum untill now..I just couldn't believe the inhumanity if those nazi's..they weren't human at all..they were rabid animals.. Mass graves in over 300 camps..and they weren't all Jewish people..they were from all parts of the world..Something else I can't accept is that the German people didn't know what was going on in their towns..What shame..

    Comment by Mary Hale — February 6, 2014 @ 1:36 AM

  22. Whether or not Lottie Pogrebin has a husband has ZERO to do with the issue at hand, and just makes people think that your point cannot be valid unless you crap personally on a person who signed the letter, instead of sticking to the issue…mainly that AIPAC supports Israel no matter if leadership is to the left or right. You weakened your own position with that attack, and only proved you are not much of a mensch. The mayor's door should be open to everyone, in any case, including Martians and Venusians if they happen to show up. You personal attack doesn't help you at all.

    Comment by Jeanette Friedman — February 6, 2014 @ 9:17 PM

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