Women who need aliyahs for fulfillment will have grandchildren worshiping in churches.
Comment by Anonymous — February 21, 2014 @ 2:54 PM
counting for a minyan is more of a halachic issue – although there is an opinion of the Mordechai who said a woman could count at tenth with nine men the same way a katan can – but I never saw it inside and there may be other issues.
as far as kavod hatzibbur with regard to aliyoth, particularly today when the baal korei reads aloud and the honoree reads silently, there may be room to say it is up to the tzibbur to decide such a thing.
as far as women being ordained, i totally support some sort of ministerial ordination in Orthodox Judaism for women, so they can serve as chaplains, etc., as there is a strong need for Orthodox female chaplains, in hospitals, womens prisons, Hillel campuses, and other locations that require ordination for employment. Synagogues don't need a meaningless piece of paper, though, and can hire whoever they want in leadership roles. It will not change the fact that a woman cannot be a witness for a wedding, or serve on a beth din for a conversion or a get.
fascinating wisdom. it is on par with what an orthodox Rabbi I studied with, who serve on the Israeli medical ethics board, said: there are often assumptions /presumptions included in decisions of past Rabbis/ Sages. If those assumptions/ presumptions are now known to be false, Judaism requires us to review the whole question again from the beginning without the false assumptions/ presumptions to get to a corrected decision – for instance, we must throw out anything based on the presumption that women are irrational airheads!
I write checks! I donate to my shul & I am sure there are other women who donate a lot more than I do. Personally, I wouldn't accept an aliyah if you paid me. I don't count women in a minyan, even when I'm in a shul that does. (I wouldn't say Kaddish or respond to anyone else's Kaddish or say any of the prayers that require a minyan if there are fewer than 10 adult Jewish males.)
Comment by Marilyn Rest — February 23, 2014 @ 2:32 AM
We already have that problem- and it is because women have been excluded. Go and ask secular and reformed women exactly "WHY" they do not want to become T.O. Most will tell you that they find Judaism is far too exclusionary toward women, and as a result, they simply turn away from it. Go and ask…
Comment by Robbie Goldstein — February 23, 2014 @ 6:15 AM
women are already writing the checks! So many are expected to shoulder almost all of the financial burden, or at least half.—all if their husbands are in collel only to have new and unusual tznius chumros and bans thrown at them, lest they get "uppity"
What a wonderful article! As a youngster I was one of those who felt slighted by Judaism for being a girl. A year ago I accepted an aliyah at my niece's Bat Mitzvah. Such a joyous moment and yes, I muffed it just a little. Now I am older, wiser and happier knowing I don't have to get out of bed early like you guys!
It's one thing to advocate for something that doesn't go fully against halacha like aliyot. Others, like the minyan and other restrictions, have halachic lines and therefore the issues should not be lumped together.
Comment by Ariel Dahan — February 24, 2014 @ 1:49 AM
Rabbi Brown can you you substantiate what you say the Rav said in any of his writings? Did he say this in front of 3 other Rabbis?