this correct claim — "Israel captured these lands from the actual illegal occupiers of it, the Jordanians" — should have been a bit expanded. It were the Jordanians who quashed the possibility of an "Arab state" as the UN envisioned. They conquered the area, prohibited any so-called "Palestinians" from exercising any rights (they didn't deserve in any case) but did grant them Jordanian citizenship although illegally annexing the territory of Judea and Samaria. And they permitted the PLO to operate as also the fedayeen earlier in the 1950s.
So anyone who doesn't kiss Smelly Shelly Adelson's rear end is (1) a self-hating Jew, (2) anti-Israel, (3) a BDS supporter, and (4) maybe a Holocaust denier? As far as I'm concerned, Adelson is a shonda fur de goyim. I don't care how many Jewish kids he sends to Israel on what's turning into a propaganda exercise for the Israeli right; that doesn't negate his bad actions and his gonivkeit.
If Thomas Friedman was Jewish his thinking would be different. To be Jewish and understand what our families (6million Jews Killed) including
my Grand Parents, Aunts, and children and how they were killed would make him understand how our hearts are so sad……..We Thank Hashem for Sheldon Adelson and his contributions to Jewish causes and Israel…. WAKE UP FRIEDMAN……..ISRAEL IS OUR JEWISH HOME LAND NO MATTER WHAT THE PALESTINIANS THINK
Comment by Millie Kashuk — April 6, 2014 @ 7:13 PM
Israel's legitimacy to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza is that they won it in a war — the same way we in the United States won the West (it was ceded by Mexico after we whupped the Mexican's rear ends, after there were many Indian tribes to contend with). The difference is that the U.S. annexed these areas, made them part of the Union, while Israel has not, so for the time being they're occupied territories. Mr. Nass would have you believe if you're in favor of a two-state solution, you're anti-Israel. That's a bunch of BS, and contrary to the beliefs of most Israelis.
Dan Silagi no, even if you do not think history, culture, religion or the Bible preovide legitimacy to Zionism, the League of Nations's 1922 Mandate, based on San Remo and the Balfour Declaration and bolstered by the 1919 Versailles Peace Conference, did include Judea and Samaria as gthe historic Jewish national home. We didn't need the 1967 war.
Dan Silagi I have a suggestion, go live in Gaza and then try to disagree with Hamas like you disagree with Israel's right to its G_d given land. Abbas has said on numerous occasions that NO JEW will be allowed to live in Palestine! Abu Mazen is a holocaust denier – his college thesis was based on it! When Arabs controlled the Kotel, no Jew was allowed to pray there! The #3 man in the Palestenian government has publicly stated he wants to assemble all the Jews in Israel and kill them all! These are your friends Dan?
Comment by Jonathan Weber — April 6, 2014 @ 9:28 PM
I adore you!!! Friedman is a stupid self-hating Jew!
So, since the Palestinians (or at least Hamas) are evil, we should round 'em all up, put 'em in shipping containers, send 'em off to Auschwitz and kill 'em all with some leftover Zyklon-B. After all, if we don't kill 'em all, including babies and farm animals, they'll get all of us. That sound familiar to you, ******? Isn't that exactly what God (there's an "o" in the middle) commanded of King Saul, and when Saul had a heart and didn't completely carry out your God's genocidal wishes, God punished him by removing him from his throne.
I have less than no use for Palestinians, or Muslims in general, but that doesn't excuse genocide or something very close to it. And NONE of those advocating a dual state are willing to give up the Kotel, or even close.
Josh Nass, I am sure that you are a perfectly intelligent young man. But in the league of Tom Friedman you ain't. Worse, you seem to have completely missed the nuance. Sheldon Adelson is a super rich Zionist Jew. He made his money in Chinese gambling casinos. He has been interfering in the U.S. political process. He has been in league with Netanyahu against Obama. That gives Obama and Rouhani something in common. I could further enlighten you but I'd rather that you and Sheldy just keep stumbling along the way that you are going. Like two drunks on a dark night.
There's nothing wrong with being super-rich, being a Zionist Jew, or both. There's plenty wrong with using one's money to buy elections or candidates, and that's what Herman Munster Adelson's been doing. To me, it's quite sickening for people from Shmuley Boteach to Newt Gingrich to Chris Christie to kowtow to Adelson. I don't care what that SOB's stand on the issues is, or whether or not I agree with him. Elections are for the people to decide, not for someone to buy an office.
Dan Silagi excuse me… but putting people in box cars and shipping them off to Auschwitz is exactly what Hamas and many Palestinians want to do to us Jews! I think your name calling reflects what kind of person you really are. Not nice, not respective of any one else but yourself.
Comment by Jonathan Weber — April 7, 2014 @ 12:46 PM
So, we should do that to them first, is that your polnt? And if you want to castigate someone for name-calling, look in the mirror first.
Dan Silagi I guess you just like to insult people. I NEVER proposed that! You're the one who said put them in box cars. You just proved my point!
Comment by Jonathan Weber — April 7, 2014 @ 1:36 PM
I made a rhetorical point and even you are smart enough to know that, although I'm sure there are plenty of settler scum reading this who would like to do just that to the Palestinians. Now I'll ask you again, if Israel annexes the occupied territories, what should be done with the Arabs living there?
Dan Silagi : I don't know what to do about the Arab population. I am not an expert in this area and neither are you. It is very complex. In many Arab countries,they threw the Jews out – (875,000 of us!) – – not calling for this – just making a point how one-sided the world is against the Jews. Everywhere we've pulled out of, the Arabs try to kill us instead of negotiating and history shows if we gave them Sumaria and Judea that will not change. The settlers aren't scum as you call them, just as our Haredi brothers are not scum. I think you need to take an anger management course. Smile Dan. You don't need to keep throwing invectives at everyone you disagree with
Comment by Jonathan Weber — April 7, 2014 @ 2:56 PM
Both the settlers and the haredim are poster children for anti-Semitism, and that's why I despise them, especially the latter. As Friedman points out (I actually read the article), people like Adelson lend credence to the BDS-holes of the far left. I wonder how Michael and Judy Steinhardt (especially the latter) feel about Adelson usurping their great idea and turning it into political propaganda.
This article is an atrocity. It calls itself "a reponse to Thomas Friedman" yet it never even directly quotes anything Friedman says. It also fails to address any of the points Friedman raises in his article. For the uninitiated Friedman wrote a critique on Sheldon Adelson's ideology. Joshua "responded" by listing Sheldon Adelson's donation receipts. Its hard to blame Nass though, when your head is that far up Sheldon Adelson's rear end it must be hard to read.
Dan Silagi It's too bad you don't like an organization that connects Jews with their land. But that is your choice and most of the readers of the Jewish Press will disagree with you. Going to work – over and out!
Comment by Jonathan Weber — April 7, 2014 @ 3:52 PM
Dan Silagi No, Dan, they are at war at us, and they will fight us to their death.
I don't dislike Birthright Israel at all. In most ways it's excellent. I am appalled at what it's turned into, and I'm especially speaking of the Mega Event last year which was a celebration of Adelson's birthday. Those relatives of mine who went on Birthright trips, in the first decade of this century and those who went most recently, would agree with me to a man (or woman).
I rarely agree with Friedman, especially with his global warming screeds, but on this he was spot-on. Adelson and his ilk are poster children for anti-Semitism, and for Israeli intransigence, some, but not all of which, is totally justifiable. What Friedman said was not to endorse the Palestinians, who are about as interested in peace as the North Koreans, but to castigate Adelson for his making it easy for those who don't have a dog in this fight to dislike Israel — and Jews.
Dan Silagi you are a ******. i doubt if you are Jewish, but some sycophant of Obama, paid to monitor what loyal Jew's are thinking. Long live Sheldon Adelson. We need more Adelson's and less Soros or Silagi.
Dan Silagi There are only 1.5 million Arabs in Judea and Samaria. Why do you accept the Arabs lies? They may take their material possessions and leave, which is more than what they allowed Sephardic Jews in their countries.
Why not call those lands what they really are, liberated territories. For 20 years, from 1967 to 1987 the population was brought forward 2000 years. Arafat did not like the fact that the Israeli's treated these people better than any other country in the region and decided to stir things up and brought the people back down.
JUst once I would like to read what Friedman, to me NO BETTER than a Jews for Jesus follower, …what ole Tommy "LOVES" and "Respects" about the wonder of ISRAEL!!! NO YOU WON'T HEAR THAT…because he sacrifices his own people for the sake of the almighty buck!!! He poses as "The Good Jew" for the ISRAEL HATERS!!!!
Dan Silagi Which office did he buy? His candidates certainly did not win the 2012 presidential election. Liberals and Conservatives both contribute to political campaigns but the voters still decide who wins. Adelson isn't interfering in the elections anymore than the TV and radio networks which are all liberal, except for Fox, do.
Steven Phillips The fact that Adelson was unsuccessful in (1) getting Boteach to beat Pascrell (2) making Newtie the Republican nominee and (3) making Romney president just means the voters had more sense than Adelson did. And CBS, NBC, and ABC don't spend hundreds of millions to get their candidates elected, they just run ads paid for by others.
Friedman has become a pathetic clown, a poster child for the Times' monotonously 1-sided bigoted editorial policies toward Israel.
Friedman is the worst kind of Jew–self-hating and insecure, desperate for love and acceptance from the non-Jewish world by showing how antiIsrael he is, the facts be damned.
What an *******.
Friedman is a pathetic self-hating Jew, regularly bashing Israel and ignoring the facts and the history of the region.
He is a poster child for the Times, which has become something of a joke, promulgating liberal lies instead of "all the news that's fit to print".
Friedman should be ashamed of himself for all his bigoted dishonesty and his disgraceful slandering of Israel and the Jewish people.
I actually wouldn't have a problem with calling them "liberated territories," but they're about as "liberated" as Iraq was (from the terrorists) when we went in in 2003 and overthrew Saddam. So I'll have to stick with "occupied." My real beef is that Christie found it necessary to apologize to a rectal orifice for using that word.
Friedman like many so called American Jews are really haters of Judaism and more specifically the State of Israel. These Jews have a problem when other Jews become successful, or create good things. Eventually these jews will either convert, or simply disappear. Israel is not the most perfect place in the world, but given what is around the State of Israel, it is the best of all worlds. Friedman and others like him would simply love to have Israel either wiped out, or that the Jews simply vanish. The Holocaust upset these people simply because only 6 million Jews died. Thispains them to no end.
Carol, Thomas does not need a lesson on Jewish history, but needs to go and live among the Arabs , as a Jew, (he doesn't have to be a practicing one) to see how they treat "infidels" and non believers.
Comment by David Neustaedter — April 8, 2014 @ 5:43 AM
The style of that idiot Thomas Friedman of the New York Slimes and their islamofacist friends is repulsive and pathetic. The New York Times was wrong to identify the true intentions of North Korea. The New York Times was "deadly" wrong in Identifying the true intentions of Hitler in WWII and the New York Times is always wrong about the Middle East.
I never read the times unless referred by someone for a specific point. I do not consider it an unbiased source of news, an intelligent source of opinion or a creative source of ideas. Besides, their stories are at the ninth grade reading level. Literally. I checked, and you can, too, if you disbelieve. Times keeps begging me for subscriptions, their readership is diminishing; less market for parrots these days.
Typical immoral and political perversion of hardcore liberals, always defending the worst causes, always getting wrong (like they did with North Korea). The Times has a long history of supporting even the faintest of hopes when it comes to reconciliation with ruthless dictators.
Did the NY Times also applaud the Munich Agreement in 1938? Because I know they chose not to cover the Holocaust:
Besides, the story on the fatal stabbing of an Israeli teen last November (Eden Atias) is a graphic illustration of all that is wrong with the NYT. For starters, it is ten paragraphs down before we even learn the details of the horrific attack on Atias while he slept on a bus in Afula. The majority of the article is devoted, despite the headline “Attack on Israeli Worsens Tensions With Palestinians,” to issues surrounding settlements. But just to ensure against any notion that an Israeli could be the victim, the NY Times chose this photo to illustrate the story: Not a photo of Eden Atias. Not a photo of his mother mourning the loss of a son. We are treated instead to an image of the mother of the terrorist responsible for murdering Eden Atias, presumably mourning the fact that her son is now in Israeli custody. In the eyes of the New York Times, Israeli victims of terror are mere footnotes to a one-sided narrative of Palestinian suffering and Israeli responsibility for that suffering. While it was a Palestinian terrorist who carried out this knife attack, trust the New York Times to take its own knife and twist it in the back of the Jewish state. The NYT lost its credibility long time ago, not only for being morally repugnant, but also for being unprofessional, unethical and childish when it comes to the most basic rules of decent journalism.
If Adelson is as bright as people think why has he surrounded himself with people who can not see past their nostrils? That being said why is it taking sooooooo long to have the following concept adopted by ALL Jewish charities? http://jewishcharitychallenge.wordpress.com/
Comment by Murray Levine — April 8, 2014 @ 12:41 PM
Tom may be more prescient than you realize. If you look back and analyze history; you will notice that every mega-tragedy that has befallen the Jewish people; was preceded by a period of great success. Perhaps we are in just such a period now.
Dan Silagi For an area to be occupied it means that there had been a sovereign who was ousted and that he had been a legitimate sovereign."
In the case of Judea and Samaria who was that sovereign ? Jordan?
Comment by Tamar Alexander — April 8, 2014 @ 2:04 PM
Dan Silagi Israel's legitimacy to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza is that they won it in a war ?
Not really. The legitimacy is the leage of nation.
ICJ Advisory Opinion of June 21, 1971: “When the League of Nations was dissolved, the raison d’etre [French: “reason for being”] and original object of these obligations remained. Since their fulfillment did not depend on the existence of the League, they could not be brought to an end merely because the supervisory organ had ceased to exist. … The International Court of Justice has consistently recognized that the Mandate survived the demise of the League [of Nations].
Comment by Tamar Alexander — April 8, 2014 @ 2:09 PM
Stop buying the NYtimes. Most of their readers in NY area and the Jews.
You mean that YOU don't find the New York Times credible, don't you? Do you find The Globe (the supermarket tabloid) credible? The current issue has an editorial calling for Obama's impeachment masquarading as a news story. It's main source? None other than Orly Taitz, the Israeli-born "birther" idiot who claims that (1) Obama was born in Kenya (2) is an illegal alien and (3) has a fraudulent social security number.
To Murray Levine – it is taking sooo long because there is a legitimate longing for peace and many Jews who are not sufficiently informed about the history of the Jews,Zionism, and religion are easily duped by writers like Thomas Friedman who cares more about promoting his career and pleasing the world (which doesn't care too much about the welfare of the Jewish people)than his loyalty to his own people. I find his ilk repugnant. God bless the Adelsons!
Dan Silagi- You are way off the mark calling andres Rosendo a jerk. You're not only offensive but you seem to be afflicted with a closed mind. Rosendo did not attack the President, he did call out the NYTimes for its unabashed and unrelenting bias against the State of Israel today, and for its cowardly UNDERREPORTING of the great tragedy of the War Against the Jews during World War II.
Lillian Tobin He called Thomas Friedman an "idiot" and the NY Times the "NY Slimes," which he must have picked up from another jerk, Mark Levin, who fouls the airwaves every weekday. Second, despite Rosendo's canard, Friedman didn't attack Israel at all, he attacked Sheldon Adelson, who recently called for an unprovoked nuclear war against Iran. This makes Rosendo a jerk, and a boring, long-winded one at that.
Comment by Tamar Alexander — April 9, 2014 @ 2:38 PM
Dan Silagi See, Yisrael Medad is a Professor, a man of letters, and a superior mind. You, however, threaten with physical intimidation. what is sad, is that you sound like an arab, the Islam by the Sword people. You are hostile, and jealous. Just remember, when it comes to "in yo' face " kind of stuff, is what Wild Bill Hickock said, that there's always someone a little faster, a little better, around the corner. BTW, I trained in Kempo, shorin ryu, Jeet kune do for 36 years….we see things a little slower as we age, so your fast and furious moves actually slow down.It's a known fact. I could stand in between Prof. Medad and you…no problem. It's just not necessary. better you use it on MLK drive, or outside Hyde Park. You can sharpen your skills, or practice on the "EL.," after 12th street.
He may be a professor and a "superior intellect," but as far as I'm concerned, he's a right-wing Mo-Ron. As are you. But what should one expect from the zealots who read this rag, and even worse, those who write for it. The one good writer for the JP was canned for speaking the truth about the Haredi a-holes who refused to defend Israel; the so-called "Million Coward March." And just who would I be jealous of, you? Adelson?
Yes, there's always someone a little faster, a little more skilled, but you ain't the one, and neither is your buddy Yisrael. But it's Shapiro and Jaffee I have a bone to pick with. As far as getting practice on the Red Line goes, I did, years back. A quite large (bigger than me) man tried to steal a gold chain from my girlfriend. One left-right combination, and down he went. No fancy martial arts stuff needed.
Dan Silagi But if you were to read ICJ opinion you would learn that Leage of nation reolution are still valid.
“When the League of Nations was dissolved, the raison d’etre [French: “reason for being”] and original object of these obligations remained. Since their fulfillment did not depend on the existence of the League, they could not be brought to an end merely because the supervisory organ had ceased to exist. .
Comment by Tamar Alexander — April 10, 2014 @ 7:16 PM
Isn't that the same International Court of Justice that wanted to arrest Ariel Sharon and other Israeli politicians on charges of committing "war crimes?" Be careful what you wish for, boychikel.
Do you think that Adelson is "trying" to destroy Israel? Adelson, an American patriot exercising his right of free speech, is an "ally" of the Tehran terrorists who squelch free speech? (as the idiot of Friedman said)… oh, I understand. Sometimes as a columnist, your own shtick shackles you. Friedman thought he found a clever way to show that Israel's most ardent supporters unknowingly aid Israel's enemies by perpetuating a status quo Friedman abhors. Ok. But what might have worked as a rant over drinks seemed mean and amoral in print. In 1940, Franklin Roosevelt's supporters did not compare Wendell Willkie to Adolf Hitler even though Willkie, a wealthy corporate executive, opposed FDR. Today, Friedman (and I) would object if someone called Barack Obama a Hamasnik because both the president and those Islamist hooligans oppose Israeli settlements. Comparing Adelson with Khamenei is the same than comparing Obama to Hamas: evil and absurd!
You're very good at moving the goalposts, Andres. Friedman didn't compare Adelson to Khamenei; not at all, although Adelson DID call, during a Shmuley Boteach-led conference at Cooper Union in NYC a few months ago, for nuking Iran as a "warning shot." Such nonsensical talk, from Adelson and from many of the zealots who post here, aren't doing Israel any favors. Plus, it's a bit of a stretch to call a man who makes most of his money running casinos in Communist China a great American patriot.