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  1. 'Henry “Scoop” Jackson '.

    Jackson was "Conservative" on, well, almost nothing. He was a strong supporter of civil rights for all in the US and other countries, and of government intervention to further that. He also had a spectacular record on the environment. And of course with that ideology he was a huge supporter of Israel. :)

    Comment by Charlie Hall — December 24, 2012 @ 10:19 PM

  2. "Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton".

    Washington and Hamilton were devout Anglicans, although for some reason never fully explained Washington seems to have rarely if ever taken communion. But both were religious liberal Christians even in the modern sense of the term. Washington's support for the small Jewish community in America was without precedent among Christian rulers, and Hamilton became one of America's first abolitionists.

    Adams became a heretical Unitarian, Madison seems to have been irreligious, and Franklin and Jefferson would not correctly be considered Christian by the standards of that time or of today. Furthermore, after Washington, the next US President of whom it is certain that he was a member of a non-heretical Christian church at the time of his election was Benjamin Harrison, a Presbyterian Elder, elected 1888. The idea that the United States was founded by Christians to be a Christian society is simply false!

    Comment by Charlie Hall — December 24, 2012 @ 10:26 PM

  3. With those rather minor corrections, Yori Yanover's critique is dead on. Christianity and Judaism do agree on some things, but disagree on a lot. And Klinghoffer's presentation of Christianity is not fully accurate, as it presents politically conservative evangelical positions as the norm. Most Presbyterians, Methodists, and Catholics don't hold by them any more than Jews do.

    Comment by Charlie Hall — December 24, 2012 @ 10:30 PM

  4. great place for truth the Jewish news,

    Comment by Caos Octavia Sinclair — December 25, 2012 @ 12:05 AM

  5. I am learning from the Torah in the last 2 years that God is not in my realm of thinking. He is not in a theological “Christian box ” nor do do I feel led of late to ever call myself a Christian again. I feel less guilt driven and more Love driven than in any denominational teaching out there. God is God, the great I AM! Torah is God’s Breath to us. Revealing Himself when sought. Thank you for bringing me to a clearer understanding of the differences between the two

    Comment by Linda Dudley — December 25, 2012 @ 5:20 AM

  6. YOU: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church.
    ME: Then how do you explain the historical fact that during the reign of Jew-friendly Popes, Rabbis were invited and did indeed lecture in front of.

    a Christian audience at certain Italian Catholic Cathedrals as long ago as the 1300-1400s AD? Given that there was NO such thing as Orthodox.

    Judaism until the clearly German-oriented movement called Reform Judaism had begun to gain strength, why do you view historical attitudes.

    shared by some, but not all European Jews, centuries earlier by the term Orthodox Jews. 'Orthodox' was invented in response to the Reform.

    Judaism phenomenon of the 19th century. I think you are simply labeling stuff you like personally as Orthodox and then either denying or leaving.

    historical facts you do not like or agree with to present and promote YOUR view of Orthdox Judaism which I know is not shared by all those called.

    by that term.

    YOU: We reject the Christian idea of salvation,
    ME: So the God that describes Himself as just and merciful in the Torah and who is always delighted by sinners who sincerely repent and change their ways is not the God of the Jews? How about a God who gave 10 generalized laws to be used a guide for the average common believer to live by in order to achieve admittance into Heaven? No, not the God of Judaism? I would say that you have no idea what you are talking about and would either ignore or deny the truth that all fundamental aspects of the 'Christian idea of Salvation' originated from Judaism as practiced by the residents of Judea around the year 33 AD. No author or scholar has ever shown that the Christian doctrine of Salvation comes from Egypt, Greece, Babylon, or Rome. Many authors have shown they come from Jerusalem.

    YOU: We abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject.
    ME: So you abhor the teachings and folklore about the Archangel Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael? Would that include teaching subjects like the Merkaba of Ezekiel, the Maccabee derived doctrine of Purgatory, or the repeated emphasis that the God of Israel created all people, all life, and all matter in the material universe and is therefore the God of all? I'll bet you do not really know what is meant by divine as opposed to say 'sacred', 'traditional', 'fundamental', etc. But it sounded good and it felt good personally to write it that way, huh? Or do only abhor those 'Christian divine teachings' that are basically the exact same as traditional Jewish teachings simply because they are Christian? Would you abhor them if they were Jewish only or if the Christians were prohibited from teaching them, so that you could think of them as Jewish only?

    YOU: We are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.
    ME: Would those Jews who actually decide to become Messianic Jews or Jewish Christians also say they were repulsed and outraged by their.

    encounters. Don't get me wrong, I'm Catholic who refuses to talk to any pair of young Mormon men wearing black ties and nice white shirts and.

    black pants. I usually close the door on most Jehovah's Witnesses and others within about 60 seconds, but I would never say such arrogant,

    snobbish things such as 'repulsed' or 'outraged' in describing very kind, loving simple people who have been raised and educated to believe what.

    they are doing is not only right, but necessary for their own personal salvation. They truly believe they must annoy you to go to Heaven for.

    themselves. I'd be far more 'repulsed' by those peddling ponzie schemes or network product sales.

    I have met Jews (a few Israeli) and have read the writings of a great deal more Jews (several of them Rabbis) who would disagree with what YOU 'reject' or 'abhor' and are 'repulsed' and 'outraged' by. Since you are NOT a Rabbi, how does that square with your claim to speak for Orthodox Jews in general. Perhaps what you meant to say is that you speak for that portion or percentage of Orthodox Jews who actually agree with what you have written. In America at least, the Orthodox community is reported to vote majority Republican every election since Reagan and perhaps earlier. I'm fairly sure that 'repulses' you though, so you forget to include that glaring statistic. I'm done mocking you, but I did enjoy every minute of it. God bless and Shalom.

    Comment by Judas Maccabaeus — June 3, 2013 @ 5:33 PM

  7. YOU: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church.
    ME: Then how do you explain the historical fact that during the reign of Jew-friendly Popes, Rabbis were invited and did indeed lecture in front of a Christian audience at certain Italian Catholic Cathedrals as long ago as the 1300-1400s AD? Given that there was NO such thing as Orthodox Judaism until the clearly German-oriented movement called Reform Judaism had begun to gain strength, why do you view historical attitudes shared by some, but not all European Jews, centuries earlier by the term Orthodox Jews. 'Orthodox' was invented in response to the Reform Judaism phenomenon of the 19th century. I think you are simply labeling stuff you like personally as Orthodox and then either denying or leaving historical facts you do not like or agree with to present and promote YOUR view of Orthodox Judaism which I know is not shared by all those called by that term.

    YOU: We reject the Christian idea of salvation,
    ME: So the God that describes Himself as just and merciful in the Torah and who is always delighted by sinners who sincerely repent and change their ways is not the God of the Jews? How about a God who gave 10 generalized laws to be used a guide for the average common believer to live by in order to achieve admittance into Heaven? No, not the God of Judaism? I would say that you have no idea what you are talking about and would either ignore or deny the truth that all fundamental aspects of the 'Christian idea of Salvation' originated from Judaism as practiced by the residents of Judea around the year 33 AD. No author or scholar has ever shown that the Christian doctrine of Salvation comes from Egypt, Greece, Babylon, or Rome. Many authors have shown they come from Jerusalem.

    YOU: We abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject.
    ME: So you abhor the teachings and folklore about the Archangel Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael? Would that include teaching subjects like the Merkaba of Ezekiel, the Maccabee derived doctrine of Purgatory, or the repeated emphasis that the God of Israel created all people, all life, and all matter in the material universe and is therefore the God of all? I'll bet you do not really know what is meant by divine as opposed to say 'sacred', 'traditional', 'fundamental', etc. But it sounded good and it felt good personally to write it that way, huh? Or do only abhor those 'Christian divine teachings' that are basically the exact same as traditional Jewish teachings simply because they are Christian? Would you abhor them if they were Jewish only or if the Christians were prohibited from teaching them, so that you could think of them as Jewish only?

    YOU: We are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.
    ME: Would those Jews who actually decide to become Messianic Jews or Jewish Christians also say they were repulsed and outraged by their encounters. Don't get me wrong, I'm Catholic who refuses to talk to any pair of young Mormon men wearing black ties and nice white shirts and black pants. I usually close the door on most Jehovah's Witnesses and others within about 60 seconds, but I would never say such arrogant, snobbish things such as 'repulsed' or 'outraged' in describing very kind, loving simple people who have been raised and educated to believe what they are doing is not only right, but necessary for their own personal salvation. They truly believe they must annoy you to go to Heaven for themselves. I'd be far more 'repulsed' by those peddling ponzie schemes or network product sales.

    I have met Jews (a few Israeli) and have read the writings of a great deal more Jews (several of them Rabbis) who would absolutely disagree with what YOU 'reject' or 'abhor' and are 'repulsed' and 'outraged' by. Since you are NOT a Rabbi, how does that square with your claim to speak for Orthodox Jews in general. Perhaps what you meant to say is that you speak for that portion or percentage of Orthodox Jews who actually agree with what you have written. In America at least, the Orthodox community is reported to vote majority Republican every election since Reagan and perhaps earlier. I'm fairly sure that 'repulses' you though, so you forget to include that glaring statistic. I'm done mocking you, but I did enjoy every minute of it. God bless and Shalom.

    Comment by Judas Maccabaeus — June 3, 2013 @ 5:41 PM

  8. PS: You have a lot of very interesting things when I get down time love to look at thanks for posting.. Shabbat Shalom in Messiah Yeshua..

    Comment by Immanuel Ben Yehudah Gomez — June 8, 2013 @ 8:12 AM

  9. May the LORD God bless you in the name of St. Judas Maccabaeus.

    Comment by Judas Maccabaeus — June 8, 2013 @ 10:20 AM

  10. Immanuel Ben Yehudah Gomez I prefer as an English speaker the spelling Joshua. For was not the authentic name and pronunciation of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ the exact same as the one who followed Moses as the religious leader of the Israelites. Do you still refer to Moses' assistant as Joshua, but to the Son of Mary and Joseph, the Nazarene as Yeshua. If so why the difference?

    Comment by Judas Maccabaeus — June 8, 2013 @ 10:27 AM

  11. Rarely do I ever consider this writer's material of even limited value; however, in this instance, his calling out of the myth of "Judeo-Christian" values is worthy of note

    We are not them
    They are not us

    Comment by Ch Hoffman — December 25, 2013 @ 10:25 PM

  12. Wonderful Article!!!

    Comment by Yeremiahu Rueben Yonteff — December 26, 2013 @ 2:43 AM

  13. Ch Hoffman · He makes me laugh. Anyone who can write funny about important stuff is rated high in my book.

    Comment by Moishe Pupik — December 26, 2013 @ 4:33 AM

  14. If Judeo-Christianity does not exist in Israel , it does in Africa especially Ethiopia and Nigeria which claim Jewish origins. In both African countries , their ancient Hebraic Judaism were corrupted with Christianty during colonization leaving them as Judeo-Christians . While Ethiopian Judeo- Christians still parade replicas of the Ark of Covenant to this day , Nigerian Jews better known as Heboes or Hebrews decorate their Churches with replicas of Magen David . To learn more of these practices , order today the book , Cow Without Tail , from amazon.com or barnessndnoble.com.

    Also , the Six-pointed Judaic Star of David can easily be configured to represent the Christain Star of Bethlehem . The rabbinic kippahs are also worn by the Christian clergy , from Pope to Bishops . To disagree with the concept of Judeo-Christianity is to deny the historical evolution of Christianity from Jewish roots unless Christ is no longer a Jew but a Palestinian Arab !

    Comment by Godwin Akkub — December 26, 2013 @ 5:43 PM

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