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Crossing a Line

Yoram Hazony in a YouTube clip from Oct. 2012.

Yoram Hazony in a YouTube clip from Oct. 2012.
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Is Open Orthodoxy really heretical?  As painful as it is for me to say so, I’m afraid that Rabbi Yaakov Perlow’s remarks at yesterday’s Agudah convention along those lines may be correct. It is painful because a friend now heads Yeshiva Chovevei Torah (YCT) that espouses Open Orthodoxy. And there is much to admire about their practical approach to educating people for the rabbinate.

Let me first make clear that in no way do I consider YCT head, Rabbi Asher Lopatin to be a heretic. But his movement allows heresy into its midst. One of its premiere graduates, Rabbi Zev Farber seems to buy into biblical criticism and has thereby bought into the idea that it is very likely that none of what is recorded in the Bible prior to the Book of Samuel  - actually happened.

This is Apikurus (heresy). No different than that of the Conservative Movement. To say that our forefathers never existed, that the Exodus as recorded never happened nor was there any direct revelation at Sinai is a violation the Maimonidean 13 Principles of Faith.

Not that I am all that thrilled with the heavy influence feminism has on Open Orthodoxy. Nor am I a fan of interdenominational cooperation that they promote – which violates even Rav Soloveitchk’s lenient rulings.

But as bad as those things are, I never considered that they were anything but Orthodox since they do not in any way promote violation of Halacha.  But that is not enough in light of what Rabbi Farber has said. When a movement tolerates Apikurus, it can no longer call itself Orthodox – even if that is part of their name.

If not for the heresy I don’t think that Orthodoxy would have had such a problem with the Conservative movement, especially those on the Conservative religious right. Many Conservative rabbis are observant… and they promote Halacha as binding. They even regret some of the lenient rulings made in the past – like allowing driving on Shabbos. So I’m not sure there would have been such a break with them. Much like there wasn’t with the Traditional Movement who also crossed some serious lines. We might have accepted the Conservative Movement as being no worse than the Traditional Movement – as long as they didn’t allow Apikursus to invade their theology. But they did. And that was a major break that Traditional Judaism did not make.

Open Orthodoxy, on the other hand, has done what the Conservative Movement has done, by their inclusion of a rabbi who espouses it. So that even though  they do not violate the sins of the Traditional Movement (No Mechitza and microphones on Shabbos) they have done much worse by tolerating heresy within their midst no different than the Conservative Movement.

So yes, it pains me to say it, but unless they completely reject Rabbi Farber, they must be placed outside the camp. I know this will make many of my friends on my left angry with me. But this is Emes the way I see it.

Judaism is not only about doing the Mitzvos… although that is obviously a big part of it. It is also a belief system. Doing  all of the Mitzvos while being an Atheist for example does not make you Orthodox no matter how careful you are about doing them. Ritual actions like keeping Kosher would be meaningless without the belief that there is a God that required them of you.

By the same token if there was no Sinai, the Mitzvos recorded in the Torah are just someone’s fantasy – right along with the story of how they were given. Saying that the Torah narrative may not be literal but divinely inspired is similar nonsense in my view. Why make up stories? Just list the rituals. Why tell fantastic stories about crossing the Red Sea and other miracles that defy nature? What purpose does it serve other than to make skeptics out of us?!

About the Author: Harry Maryles runs the blog "Emes Ve-Emunah" which focuses on current events and issues that effect the Jewish world in general and Orthodoxy in particular. It discuses Hashkafa and news events of the day - from a Centrist perspctive and a philosphy of Torah U'Mada. He can be reached at hmaryles@yahoo.com.


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13 Responses to “Crossing a Line”

  1. David Blatt says:

    Harry Maryles as an Open Orthodox Jew I am deeply offended by your ridiculous comments.

  2. Loren Renee says:

    Not according to Ramban

  3. Elyse Dorm says:

    good article. By rejecting past miracles that the Jews experienced, they are suggesting that G-d is incapable to provide these things when his children needed them…

  4. Oh boy… Something about this article just feels wrong, like the intuition meter has a buried needle on this one. Not necessarily saying the man doesn't have well founded sentiments, but on the other hand, one cannot make such blanket judgements and speak with accuracy for everyone.

  5. Eva Feld says:

    The author, obviously very religious is expressing his views. As for the crossing of the Red Sea (which is really very blue), the underwater land banks has been found, Israel knows about it so does Saudi. In Korea there is a similar phenomena. That events happened at Mt. Horev in the Sinai desert, no doubt about that, Mt. Sinai is considered a Holy Mountain by the locals. That the laws given were phenomenal in their time is tremendous; when considering the state of civilization at that time and in fact, it has not really changed. We murder one another, we steal and rob, we cheat and lie and these laws recognized our weaknesses and we are told to change or wicked ways. Somewhere in the universe these laws and their ugly side – and there are ugly sides, work but not in this world.

  6. Lize Bartsch says:

    Agree absolutely. Seems the Jews have the same problems we face in the Christian churches!!! There are so many false teachings which creep in. Which is why I study the Word of G-d and believe it and obey it and measure everything to it and discard of everything which does not.

  7. Lize Bartsch says:

    They cannot work is it is not accompanied by faith and relationship in the Almighty G-d. He fights for you if you commit yourself in His hand and He rewards obedience in this life and the next.

  8. Dan Silagi says:

    So if you don't believe every word of the Bible, you're a heretic, Harry? Well, I don't believe every word in the Bible, and it's been scientifically proven that the Bible (Torah, Tanach, whatever you want to call it) is a big bubbemeisa starting with the first sentence…In the beginning God created…in six days, and on the seventh day He rested. We all know that the universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old (give or take several hundred million), not 5,775 1/2 years. If that's wrong, then what's right?

    I guess that makes me, a Reform Jew, a heretic — and an apikorus. It also makes me right.

  9. Dan Silagi says:

    There's lots of dispute as to the location of Mt. Sinai. Some very learned anthropologists say it's in NW Saudi Arabia.

  10. Lize Bartsch says:

    The Bible is actually accurate from beginning to end, it is science that has more to explain and offers just a fairytale for grown ups. About half the scientists today are creationists but would lose their jobs is they said so openly. Creation Ministries International is a movement of Creation Scientists who know both evolution and creation theories and you can go to their FB page CMI and debate real scientists there and receive research documents each day if you like their page, they have about 8000 articles if you really want facts and are willing to study into the subject.

  11. Lize Bartsch says:

    Yes we have a video on that and the new facts do not negate the Biblical account of the Exodus.

  12. Dan Silagi says:

    Lize Bartsch Lemme ask you this: If the Flood as depicted in the Bible is accurate, the earth was covered with water over 3 miles deep (Mt. Ararat is over 16,000' high and it was totally submerged). That's over 600 million CUBIC MILES of water, not counting what's currently in the earth's oceans, seas, and lakes.

    Where did all this water go? Did God just raise his mighty arms and all the water disappeared?

    Now I know dinosaurs co-existed with man: I'm a big fan of the Flintstones, and everything you watch on TV is as accurate as what's portrayed in the Bible, so it all must be so, nicht wahr?

  13. Lize Bartsch says:

    Dan Silagi , these are just the kind of questions the scientists of CMI love to answer, I will try with my unscientific limited knowledge to give you some idea. The Bible does not only say it rained for 40 days but also that the fountains of the deep broke open. There are huge underground lakes, I suppose the water drained back into underground lakes and reservoirs and the rest evaporated. The earth's water levels did increase after the flood. Every continent could be connected to each other if the waterlevel was lowered by just a few meters (the continental shelf). So before the flood it might well be that all countries were connected.

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