My Response to the Monsey Rabbi
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I will add one thought here, though. When the Jews choose as a nation to live in other nations’ countries, the message that is projected both inwardly and outwardly is that we are not in fact a nation, but just another religion. This message damages almost irreparably the proper sense of identity that a Jew should carry with him/her, while totally undermining our claim to be a nation worthy of returning to the land from which it was dispossessed. In short, redemption is made much harder by the act of staying en masse in chu”l when it is clear that there are no more physical barriers to moving to E”Y.
Had Am Yisrael listened to the Gra (and not just his students) in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, the entire history of the conflict would not have happened, because the Jews would have constituted the massive majority of E”Y’s inhabitants way before hundreds of thousands of Arabs moved to E”Y from the mid-19th to the mid-20th century, a turn of events that is the very genesis of the demographic problem that so shapes peoples views on what should be done and what is justified on both sides of the dispute. It was a huge strategic error and a huge moral error that most orthodox rabbis ignored and even discouraged aliyah both before and more famously after the advent of Herzlian Zionism. Today, rabbis such as yourself continue to make the same horrific mistake.
I pray that all Jews return to the G-d ofIsrael, the Torah of Israel, and the Land of Israel. Amen.
tell a friendAbout the Author: Robert Klein lives in Be'ersheva, Israel.
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one response to the so-called Rabbi: והארץ תתן פריה, א"ר אין לך קץ מגולה מזה.
A response to this so-called Rabbi:
"אמר רבי אבא: אין לך קץ מגולה מזה שנאמר[: 'וְאַתֶּם הָרֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל עַנְפְּכֶם תִּתֵּנוּ וּפֶרְיְכֶם תִּשְׂאוּ לְעַמִּי יִשְׂרָאֵל כִּי קֵרְבוּ לָבוֹא' ע"כ. ומפרש רש"י: "'מגולה מזה' – כשתתן ארץ-ישראל פריה בעין יפה אז יקרב הקץ ואין לך קץ מגולה יותר".
yeah yeah yeah, well I'm here but I've seen the machlokis in the avnie ezer on the sugeah of yeshuve eretz yisroel.i won't enter my own opinion being this is a diffrence of opinion between our greatest minds.perhaps the rabbi in monsey knows the complicated points of this.perhaps he doesn't.
Metzada lo tipol shaynit.
Am Yisrael Chai.
Jews worldwide UNITE or we all fall together.
There is another reason all Jews do not return to E”Y. And that is that all Jews are not welcome there. Secular and Orthodox are ok. Everyone else can stay where they are. Please do not whine about Jewish demographics when all Jews are not allowed to make aliyah.
Quit bickering. Each person faces different circumstances. Some can make Aliyah now, some others have to postpone and continue being good Jews outside Israel. Let is be and leave G-d in charge of resolving this. In the meantime, those who have already made Aliyah should help those who want to do so, but face obstacles. We're home to open the door to the rest of Israel, not to jeer at those who haven't yet been able to follow our example.
A response to this so-called Rabbi:
“אמר רבי אבא: אין לך קץ מגולה מזה שנאמר[: ‘וְאַתֶּם הָרֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל עַנְפְּכֶם תִּתֵּנוּ וּפֶרְיְכֶם תִּשְׂאוּ לְעַמִּי יִשְׂרָאֵל כִּי קֵרְבוּ לָבוֹא’ ע”כ. ומפרש רש”י: “‘מגולה מזה’ – כשתתן ארץ-ישראל פריה בעין יפה אז יקרב הקץ ואין לך קץ מגולה יותר”.
yeah yeah yeah, well I’m here but I’ve seen the machlokis in the avnie ezer on the sugeah of yeshuve eretz yisroel.i won’t enter my own opinion being this is a diffrence of opinion between our greatest minds.perhaps the rabbi in monsey knows the complicated points of this.perhaps he doesn’t.
Metzada lo tipol shaynit.
Am Yisrael Chai.
Jews worldwide UNITE or we all fall together.
There is another reason all Jews do not return to E”Y. And that is that all Jews are not welcome there. Secular and Orthodox are ok. Everyone else can stay where they are. Please do not whine about Jewish demographics when all Jews are not allowed to make aliyah.
Quit bickering. Each person faces different circumstances. Some can make Aliyah now, some others have to postpone and continue being good Jews outside Israel. Let is be and leave G-d in charge of resolving this. In the meantime, those who have already made Aliyah should help those who want to do so, but face obstacles. We’re home to open the door to the rest of Israel, not to jeer at those who haven’t yet been able to follow our example.