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Civil Rights Violations, Lies & Audiotape: B’klyn College Still in Spotlight

We are now in a situation where there seems to be no two ways about it - someone is lying, maybe several people. And school officials, both administration representatives as well as faculty members were on the scene - so if the students were unfairly ejected, an apology will hardly suffice.

Jews Who Were Allowed in to Brooklyn College BDS Event

Jews Who Were Allowed in to Brooklyn College BDS Event
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In addition to Morales, Ernesto Mora, media relations manager, senior vice president for finance and administration Joseph Giovanelli, and Donald A. Wenz, director of campus and community safety services were all on the scene, although Thompson repeatedly stated that all were in and out of the room and the building at various times, so it is unlikely any of them were present for all of the event.

Given that the students who were ejected were present in the room for such a short time, Thompson agreed that whatever disturbances were reported may have solely been what began only after the SJP member asked Goldberg to hand over her papers.

THE ALGEMEINER AUDIOTAPE CHANGED EVERYTHING When the existence of an audiotape revealed that there was no disturbance – which is consistent with the initial reports by those supportive of the event – and in fact it was so quiet in the room during Butler’s speech that people yelling outside could be heard through the walls, but no protests from within the room – an iron wall of silence came down.

Nobody was talking.  Well, almost nobody.

Alex Kane, who when interviewed immediately after the event said the BDS speakers were well received and it was an exemplary audience, suddenly had a different story to tell.

Kane found a thin splinter of dissent and he proceeded to use it as a sledgehammer, attacking the Daily News and the Tablet for “publicizing one side of the story while omitting claims that complicate the story.  I did not clearly see the incident, so I can’t definitively say who is right and who is wrong. But it’s the height of journalistic irresponsibility to publicize one narrative while leaving out another side of the story that complicates things greatly.”

Notwithstanding his earlier unequivocal statement that everything both outside and inside the event went off without any problems, Kane was now quoting SJP members who claimed the Expelled Four were disruptive, and invoked the statement from Thompson to support his claim.

But he then seizes upon the Holy Grail – someone whom he claims is an unbiased witness!  Brooklyn College student Emma Snyders, wrote in a talkback to Goldberg’s Facebook posting, “I was directly in front of you and had to ask you to be quiet numerous times before you were asked to leave. While leaving someone you were with yelled, ‘This is a violation of our freedom of speech.’”

It remains unclear how it is that Snyders, who claimed to be in the row in front of the Expelled Four, could not be heard telling them to be quiet on the discovered audiotape of the event, given that she was just one row behind the Algemeiner‘s audiotape source.  But what’s also odd is that Snyder suddenly disappeared after making this comment, even though she was answered by Ari Ziegler less than an hour later.

We’ll get to Ziegler’s response in a moment, but first, it’s worth noting that Kane had to place what he called an “update” – others might have called it a correction – on his report that the Expelled Four were not “distributing” the written material, as he had originally reported.  What were they doing?  “They were passing out flyers amongst themselves.”

And Kane also ignored his own advice.  Although his article was posted on Feb. 12, Snyder’s comment appeared on Facebook on February 10, at 10:30 a.m.  And Ziegler’s response to Snyder, very politely clarifying his own positions (opposed to BDS, not opposed to the event or the political science sponsorship) and asking her to please explain how she could describe his behavior or that of his three companions as disruptive.  A portion of his lengthy comment – to which Snyder did not respond, nor did she respond to a request for comment from The Jewish Press – describes what he thought and experienced, and he was clearly asking for an explanation for how she could have understood it otherwise.

Ziegler wrote:

Emma, I’m sorry that you felt uncomfortable and I agree with you that Judith Butler is an amazingly articulate speaker and spoke quite logically from what I heard (I was one of the students removed before the end of her prepared remarks.) However, I must say that there was only one instance of speech from us that might be construed as disruptive or unsettling and that was after we were asked to hand over our info sheets or be forcibly removed. The instance of yelling “This is a violation of our freedom of speech,” was as we were leaving, as you rightly pointed out. But it was not in response to the event at all. Rather it was in response to the apparent reason that the organizing member was giving us for kicking us out, that we wouldn’t hand in our info sheets which would later inform our questions had we been allowed to ask. I’m curious what it was that we said that was not quiet or respectful, and since you were directly in front of us then perhaps you can tell me a bit about that.

About the Author: Lori Lowenthal Marcus is the US correspondent for The Jewish Press. She is a recovered lawyer who previously practiced First Amendment law and taught in Philadelphia-area graduate and law schools.


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20 Responses to “Civil Rights Violations, Lies & Audiotape: B’klyn College Still in Spotlight”

  1. Rav Goy says:

    maybe its time to boycott brooklyn college.

  2. Phil Schiff says:

    Time for a few civil rights suits.

  3. SOUNDS LIKE RUTGERS, BUT WE SPOKE OUT. I WAS THERE.

  4. Johnny Simson says:

    May be its time for Jewish donosr to stop donating to this collage? I am sure the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will be happy to donate to this collage.

  5. Lori, we are dealing with a situation where the protection, like an etrog, of Islamic dictates is sacrosanct. So much so, that truth and justice is nowhere to be found, particularly within leftist academia.
    Want more heartburn? Take a peek – http://adinakutnicki.com/2013/02/03/the-nexus-between-western-academia-the-international-solidarity-movement-ism-leftist-jews-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/.
    This jihadi circus is under the umbrella/terror hydra of the ISM, regardless of "this name or that name".
    Time to make them pay – leftist academia and their Islamic counterparts!
    Adina Kutnicki, Israel – http://adinakutnicki.com/about/.

  6. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    even IF the Jewish students were being disruptive, I say: RIGHT ON! so when would be the approprate time to be disruptive? when BDS/HAMAS carries out the real agenda? kill the Jews. Should Jews wait until they did in Nazi Germany? NO! Now is the time to BE disruptive.

  7. Alan Kardon says:

    First, Was this incident taped? If not, why? That will show who is at fault.
    Secondly, this is a public institution funded by tax dollars. It cannot by law descriminate against any person wishing to attend. Lets hold the school adminstration accountable for allowing this to happen on public property.

  8. I attended Midwood High School down the street from B'klyn College in the late 50's and even then it was a foundation for radicalism. Why the surprise now?

  9. Lori, the ACLU is a gang of hypocrites from way back. Ramsey [Ramzi] Clark, LBJ's attorney general, was head of the ACLU back when Khomeini took over Iran. Clark was very favorable towards Khomeini's new regime. He even blamed the American Jews from keeping the US from welcoming and recognizing Khomeini. He was annoyed then with how the American Jews were using their freedom of speech. A Clark ally, the Nation magazine, even claimed that those writing the new Iranian constitution had "impecabble civil libertarian credentials."
    Don't expect any help from the ACLU. They are fake civil libertarians.

  10. spelling error: spell the word "impeccable".

    By the way, if a private group is holding a meeting on public property, such as an SJP meeting at CCNY, can such group exclude whomever they want to?

  11. the brooklyn college president should be removed on the basis of being an imbecile. the low IQ jew hater "in charge of student affairs" should be fired immediately. a civil rights lawsuit would be in order. as would lawsuits filed against individuals and their personal property. how dare our tax dollars be used for this crap.

  12. Jon Erk says:

    Was taped by the Palestinian students. Audience was explicitly told they'd be removed if they taped anything.

  13. Jon Erk says:

    Was taped by the Palestinian students. Audience was explicitly told they'd be removed if they taped anything.

  14. Roy Ben-Moshe says:

    I was there, and two orthodox Jews in front of me were being disruptive just under the threshold necessary for being kicked out. Seriously, if you're planning on disrupting an event, then disrupt it with a political message, and if you're planning on sitting and listening, then just sit down and be quiet. You can't have it both ways – be disruptive at a panel discussion and then expect to maintain your seat.

  15. We must find a way to help our children deal with the hateful, violent culture that Moslem student and professors are bringing to American campuses or our children will not feel safe in public colleges anymore. The same way that Non-Moslems don't feel safe in Islamic lands.
    In Islamic countries like Syria and Iraq, these Moslems are killing and torturing each other, even children, in most savage ways and for them showing hatred toward "others", even when these "others" are Moslems is a normal way of life and a normal cultural mode.
    Maybe the next event in Brooklyn college should be called:" Lets learn how to deal with the hateful, violent culture that Moslem students are bringing with them to our Campuses". Intellectuals with the right experience, specially psychologists must be invited to help us deal with this issue. We don't want Brooklyn to change into an Islamic State.

  16. Sounds like what happened at Rutgers. I WAS THERE. RABBI ROSENBERG WHY IS NO ONE MAKING THE COMPARISON? ARE students afraid?

    Sounds like what happened at Rutgers. I WAS THERE. RABBI ROSENBERG WHY IS NO ONE MAKING THE COMPARISON? ARE students afraid?

  17. Rutgers told to crack down on anti-Semitic threats.

    http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/319805/

    Jul 8, 2011… Rutgers campus The The Zionist Organization of America is demanding that Rutgers University address an anti-Semitic atmosphere it has…

  18. Subject: sounds like rutgers. I WAS THERE. RABBI ROSENBERG WHY IS NO ONE MAKING THE COMPARISON? are students afraid?

  19. I think, that it is not easy to say better. Such authors of legal articles are welcomed on Attorney Online. Moreover, Attorney Directory was created to gather together contacts of the best US lawyers to categories like this rubric of Florida civil lawyers http://attorney-online.info/dir/civil/florida/33 It is free and lawyers shouldn’t pay to submit their contacts to this directory.

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