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September 1, 2016 / 28 Av, 5776

Posts Tagged ‘Two State Solution’

Jay Shapiro Show – The Everlasting Two-State Solution [audio]

Wednesday, June 8th, 2016

The so-called two-state solution may be a resolution to some problem but it is not the one related to the conflict between Israel and its neighbors. However, its continued existence is providing a means of livelihood for many people.

Jay Shapiro Show 07Jun – PODCAST

Israel News Talk Radio

Continental Chutzpah: EU Building on Israeli Land, Warning Against Demolitions

Wednesday, June 1st, 2016

The European Union over the past few years has been erecting illegal structures in Area C, which according to the Oslo agreement is under Israeli control. After several rightwing NGOs have complained, the IDF set out to demolish some of those structures. By rights, they should have taken all of them down, what with their being built without a permit. Israeli media publicized the demolition of those structures, some of which actually flew the EU flag — like those mythical cat burglars who leave their personal business card in the open safe. But last week the EU chutzpah has reached unprecedented highs when Lars Faaborg-Andersen, the Danish diplomat who since 2013 has been the ambassador of the European Union to Jerusalem, met with Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories Gen. Yoav Mordechai, to warn him that if Israel keeps demolishing those “Palestinian homes” it would damage relations with Brussels.

According to a senior Israeli official who spoke to Ha’aretz, the meeting was tense and loaded. The ambassador accused Israel of hurting the “weakest Palestinian populations.” What the senior official did not share was that those structures are a means by which the EU has been challenging Israel’s claim to sovereignty in Area C (the PA is currently in charge in Areas A and B). It has to do with the diametrically opposed views of Israel and the EU of what constitutes the “two-state solution.”

Essentially, the Israeli politicians who are now in government, as well as more than a few in the opposition, envision a future peace deal that turns Areas A and B into an independent Palestinian entity, either as a state or an autonomy. The same Israeli leaders envision some permanent legal solution for the upwards of 400 thousand Jews living in Judea and Samaria, all of them in Area C, most likely with Israel annexing the large settlement clusters and giving away the rest of the land.

Virtually no one outside Israel supports this idea at the moment. Even Israel’s best friends in the world envision the ousting of the Jews from Area C, possibly while allowing Israel to retain eastern Jerusalem. How would that actually be done—no one cares to say, nor where would Israel gather the tens of billions of dollars required for such a move, never mind whether the settler population would acquiesce or opt instead for resistance that would make the traumatic evacuation of 8,000 Jews from Gaza’s Gush Katif look like a picnic. Meanwhile, while Area C in Israel’s view is eventually going to be annexed as part of a peace deal — to the Europeans Area C is Palestinian land ready to be redeemed.

Which is why the EU has been relentless at challenging Israel’s claim to Area C. And it’s why they’ve come up with the delusional notion that taking down 531 illegal Arab structures in 2015, 75 of which had been built by the EU, was damaging the two-state solution. Because the two-state solution the Europeans envision is without any Jews in Area C.

For the same reason, Ambassador Faaborg-Andersen was complaining that Israel is quick to condemn and demolish those illegal structures, but at the same time refuses to give Arabs permits to build legally in Area C. Because while the Arabs view Area C as soon to be part of free Palestine, Israelis plan to keep most of it, thank you very much.

There’s going to be another meeting with the EU envoy, on June 15, this time at the Israeli foreign ministry. The Europeans are going to demand a freeze on demolishing Arab structures in Area C, while at the same time also demanding a freeze on Jewish construction in the same Area C. And at some point something will have to give.

David Israel

Likud MK Benny Begin Tears Into Liberman Supporters, Liberman Himself

Tuesday, May 31st, 2016

Likud MK Benny Begin tore into fellow party members who supported the appointment Monday of Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman as defense minister. Begin also ripped into Liberman himself, for his statement late Monday proclaiming support for a “two state solution.”

Liberman thanked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a statement at his swearing-in Monday night, saying: “I listened to everything you said and I absolutely agree with every word, including two states for two peoples.

“There was a lot of speculation about what the policy of the government would be. I want to remind people that for many years Yisrael Beytenu decided, and I spoke more than once about recognizing, that same solution of two states for two peoples.

“I also believe that I was very supportive of the Bar Ilan speech,” he added. “I think that President al-Sisi’s speech was very important and has created a genuine opportunity. We must try to pick up the gauntlet. I absolutely agree that the Arab [Peace] Initiative also has some very, very positive elements that enable a serious dialogue with all our neighbors in the region.”

Begin, however, was not at all surprised at Liberman’s statement. He was instead surprised by residents of Judea and Samaria who he said should remember past statements by Liberman promoting Highway 6 as the western border of any proposed Palestinian Authority state. Begin said he sees any such state as a PLO state that will quickly transform itself a bastion of Hamas.

He added that residents of Samaria, or members of the Likud party who celebrated the appointment of Liberman as defense minister were “fools.”

Begin also said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wasn’t much smarter: “He knows that idea isn’t supported within the Likud party in the Knesset and not by the government he currently leads,” he said, according to Channel 2 television news.

“I was amazed at the joy with which right-wing activists greeted the ouster of [Defense Minister] Moshe Ya’alon in favor of Liberman,” Begin told Channel 2 on Monday night.

“It was Ya’alon who opposed the establishment of a Palestinian state,” Begin noted. He added in a similar interview with Galei Tzahal Army Radio, “It seems there are three types of right wing: moderate, extremists and stupid.”

Begin warned that it is likely that Liberman may implement policies that will not be “considerate, not be careful, not be responsible, and not be moderate,” based on his statements as a member of the opposition.

The Likud MK was bitterly angry that Ya’alon was inspired to end his political career over Liberman’s appointment. “A man who was completely committed to opposing a PLO or Hamas state, or who knows what might follow in Judea and Samaria, is not acceptable to them (Likud) while someone who is committed to that …. is kosher l’mehadrin? Begin said on Galei Tzahal.

Liberman has long resided in the Jewish community of Nokdim, located south of Bethlehem in the northern Judean hills.

Hana Levi Julian

Liberman Supports a 2-State Solution – Nothing to See Here Folks, Move Along

Tuesday, May 31st, 2016

I received a flurry of messages last night from all my friends on the right side of the political spectrum following our new Defense Minister’s stated support for a 2-State solution.

“You see, Liberman zig-zagged again”, “Liberman’s showing his true colors”, “Liberman got power and shifted Left” and “Liberman’s going to be another Sharon”.

I’d say it’s open to debate if Liberman really zig-zags left and right all the time, or if he simply prefers to sometimes emphasize one aspect of his statements when convenient, while other times emphasizing the other half – leaving him open to criticism of zig-zagging, while allowing his spokespeople to emphatically deny any zig-zagging at all.

Though I don’t see much wiggle room in his statement that he plans to take out Ismail Haniyeh in just 1 more day – leaving us to wonder if perhaps Liberman is really more bark than bite.

To remind my friends, Liberman has always supported a 2-State solution. He’s said he would evacuate his home in Nokdim for peace. I believe he would.

But everyone forgets the parameters of Liberman’s 2-State solution plan – “The Populated-Area Exchange Plan“.

It’s not a one-way street.

Liberman envisions a Palestinian State consisting of all the Arabs on this side of the Jordan River – with no Jews, and an Israeli state on this side of the Jordan River – with a lot less Arabs citizens.

Liberman contends that the only way to end the conflict is to end the friction resulting from 2 opposing religious and nationalist groups occupying the same space – and it makes no sense (nor is it fair) to create a Palestinian State with no Jews, while keeping Israel as a dual-nationality state with an antagonistic Arab minority who self-identify as “Palestinian”- nor is it fair or right to make anyone physically move.

In Liberman’s plan, Israel would annex the major settlement blocks, while transferring the major regions of Israel where there are a majority of Arabs, over to the Palestinian State.

Israeli-Arabs, who constantly identify themselves as “Palestinians” would lose their Israeli citizenship but immediately gain Palestinian State citizenship. They wouldn’t have to move out of their homes – the borders would be redrawn around them – mostly in the “triangle” region in part of the Galilee.

I personally disagree with his solution for a number of critically important and fundamental reasons (to be discussed another time), but there’s certainly no denying Liberman’s correct identification of the problem and that his plan treats all sides equally (even if it is a left-wing plan).

Strangely enough, the group who should be supporting the plan the most are the most vehemently against it – Israeli-Arabs who self-identify as “Palestinians”.

In a poll in the year 2000, 83 percent of Israeli-Arabs opposed the plan, with only 11% were in favor.

You would think, that all these Israeli-Arabs demanding a Palestinian State, waving “Palestinian” flags and touting their “Palestinian” identity would love the idea.

But they don’t – they don’t want to be citizens of a Palestinian State – they want to be citizens of the Israel they hate – the Israel that gives them equal opportunity, equal rights, and isn’t under Arab control.

Interestingly enough, a friend of mine was talking yesterday with some Arabs from one of the villages under Palestinian Authority control and they said the same exact thing.

These PA Arabs want Israel to come in, kick out the Palestinian Authority and bring back the “Occupation” – they want life to be good again – as it was under Israeli rule. Most of their village wants that.

Liberman’s plan is unlikely to be implemented, simply because the Arabs themselves don’t want to live in a Palestinian State – which says a lot.

If anything, the first step Liberman should really be taking for peace is helping the poor Gazans escape from the terror of Hamas.

Set up an emigration plan – one-way tickets to Europe and Detroit with cash in their pockets and full bank accounts.

Within a year, the only people left in Gaza would be Hamas supporters, if even that.

And then Liberman could prove to us that “Mila zu mila” and take out Ismail Haniyeh.

JoeSettler

The Four-State Solution

Wednesday, May 25th, 2016

No one who claims to be an advocate of a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict is really being honest about it.

If they were, they’d admit that a Palestinian state already exists, more than one in fact.

75% of Mandatory Palestine, which was promised for the Jewish state, was ripped away and given to the Hashemite invaders, eventually being renamed Jordan.

Some 80% of Jordan’s citizens self-identify as Palestinian.

So despite the Hashemite occupation and dictatorship, there already exists a fully-functioning Jew-free Palestinian state with a self-identified Palestinian majority.

But put Jordan aside, then there’s Gaza.

100% Arab ruled. 100% self-identified Palestinian population. Zero Jews.

Under blockade? True, but only because of their ongoing terrorism. The blockade would end tomorrow if they stopped trying to destroy Israel today.

So Gaza is the second Palestinian state currently in existence.

But for the two-staters, those two existing Jew-free Palestinian states just aren’t enough.

They want Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem to be the third Palestinian state.

The autonomous Palestinian Authority, with zero Jews, already acts as a State in those areas it controls, but the two-staters want it bigger, much bigger. They also want the Jewish People’s holiest sites to be included in this third Palestinian state.

And then finally, there’s little Israel, with it’s 20% Arab population, into which some two-staters want to import/flood with even more self-identified Palestinians, to eventually outnumber the Jews, creating a fourth Palestinian state.

So enough with the two-state solution, because we already have more than that.

It’s time you two-staters admit that what you really want is a four-state solution, or maybe not even that – perhaps all you really want is no-Jewish state solution.

JoeSettler

Foreign Affairs, Security and Education the Focus for Day 3 of CoP Mission

Wednesday, February 17th, 2016

In an address Tuesday morning, Feb. 16, to the 42nd annual Conference of Presidents Leadership Mission to Israel delegation, leader of the Opposition and Head of the Zionist Union Party, Isaac Herzog, declared that “the true reality is that we are in the midst of the Third Intifada, which clearly has the support of various groups and schools of thought in the Muslim world.”

Herzog noted that eight attempted terrorist attacks occurred just yesterday.

Reiterating his ultimate support of a two-state solution, he said “under the current leadership of both sides, there is no way we can progress even one iota,” and added that he couldn’t promise that he would be able to reach an agreement with the Palestinians at this time. Herzog also made it clear that any final status agreement would be subject to a national referendum.

He outlined his three-point plan endorsed last week by the Labor Party, which consisted of: completing the security barrier around the settlement blocs and placing barriers around the 28 Arab villages in the Jerusalem area.

“We are not telling the truth when we say they are a part of the Jerusalem municipality,” Herzog said. “We must transfer civilian control to the Palestinian Authority and implement confidence-building steps that will enable the Palestinians to start building a state, including in the fields of agriculture and transportation; and initiate a multi-national ‘regional conference’ to address the host of problems in the Middle East.”

Herzog communicated his demand for a construction freeze outside the established settlement blocs and said, “In a way, the borders have already been drawn.” When asked about Ariel specifically, he said that it was one of the established blocs and would remain.

Herzog also said that Gaza must be part of the solution and called for simultaneous measures to relieve some pressure on the Palestinians there and to ensure the safety of Israel.

The delegation was briefed by the senior staff of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on a range of pressing issues. Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely delivered comments that outlined some critical challenges for the future.

Among them, Hotovely cited the ‘Jewish challenge’ saying that although Taglit-Birthright has brought more than 500,000 young Jews to Israel for 10-day visits, it has not managed to equip participants with the intellectual basis required to enrich the pro-Israel side of the international debate. She said, “It is the task of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to find the next birthright.”

The Deputy Foreign Minister also called for pressuring international donors, who fund 30% of the Palestinian Authority’s budget, to do more to guarantee that their contributions are not used to support incitement.

The delegation had a chance to meet informally with ambassadors and representatives of 35 countries. The group was also privy to an off the record security briefing by Israel’s Deputy Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Zohar Dvir.

Minister of Education and Minister of Diaspora Affairs Naftali Bennett spoke to the delegation this afternoon exclusively about education in Israel, and how he is using education as an agent for change. He cited the recent “massive investment” in Israeli-Arab schools, for new teachers in particular, as well as hiring, for the first time, a head of Haredi education. He said “we need to teach the Haredim English and math, but on their terms.”

The Minister said that in the next three years he intends to more than double the number of high school students learning highest-level math, from 8,500 per year currently to more than 18,000. “That is the real future of the ‘start-up nation,’” he said.

On a positive note, the Minister expressed delight that in the past two months 253,000 Israeli kids have been playing Code Monkey, an interactive game that teaches computer programming. He also shared that for the first time every Arab student from kindergarten on is now learning Hebrew, which greatly increases their future job prospects.

Jewish Press Staff

Netanyahu: No 2-State Solution Possible For Now

Thursday, February 11th, 2016

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is standing firm on a stance he took in 2009, at the start of his current tenure in office: that for Israel and the Palestinian Authority to “live side by side in peace” the PA must demilitarize and recognize Israel as the homeland of the Jewish People.

It has done neither, nor has its government expressed any intent to do so in the future. Instead, the PA has deliberately brainwashed an entire generation to grow up as future jihadists and anti-Israel terrorists. Its leaders continue to glorify killers with Jewish and Israeli blood on their hands, honoring them by marking events, public streets and other venues in their names. Social media campaigns, sermons in the mosques, school textbooks and government-approved children’s television programs all continue to eliminate any existence of the State of Israel and encourage murderous attacks against Jews and Israelis. Enticing children and teens’ summer camps featuring special military training are promoted every year. Families of convicted terrorists and those who die in attempted attacks enjoy a generous, guaranteed government-paid monthly income for life.

So why would a PA child or teen not want to grow up to kill Israelis? Why would any adolescent with the normal hormonal shifts of the teenage years not find solace after a fight with a parent, sibling or friend in reaching eternal peace and family honor as a shahid (Islamic war martyr)?

In such an environment, peace cannot even sprout, let alone blossom. Both Netanyahu and Opposition leader Isaac Herzog long ago reached this conclusion, albeit via different paths.

Netanyahu told the Knesset in its session on Wednesday the PA has yet to meet even the basic requirements for a final status agreement. He favors a two-state solution, he said – but practically speaking, it’s just not possible unless PA leaders meet the two basic requirements.

“The first principle is mutual recognition,” the prime minister said. “The Palestinian Authority demands we recognize a national state of theirs; and they will also have to recognize our national state, in any peace agreement. It is only natural for them to give us what they wish for themselves.”

In addition, the PA must demilitarize. “The Palestinian areas must be demilitarized of forces hostile to Israel,” Netanyahu said.

Nevertheless, negotiations were not precluded from the equation. The prime minister noted that talks have been launched in the past without these conditions having been met.

“I want to clarify once again for the thousandth time that I did not condition the start of negotiations on the acceptance of these principles,” he said.

“Rather, I made it clear that in order to complete the negotiations successfully, these principles had to be fulfilled.”

Netanyahu emphasized that only Israel can enforce such demilitarization, a point that both the United States and the European Union have repeatedly attempted to invalidate.

“Experience shows that neither the UN nor an international force but only the IDF and Israel’s security agencies can ensure this demilitarization. Israel must continue to be the force responsible for security on the ground,” he said.

“There is no security separation. None. It doesn’t exist,” Netanyahu said, responding to claims by the Opposition that “total separation” will ensure peace and can ensure Israel’s safety.

Herzog, as chairman of the Zionist Union party and leader of the Opposition had advocated for “total separation” — but reluctantly he too has told reporters in the past several weeks that a two-state solution is “just not possible at this point.”

“Israel must be responsible for its security,” Netanyahu underlined. Without the two basic requirements of a demilitarized Palestinian Authority state, and mutual recognition of each other’s right to a “homeland” Netanyahu made it clear that Israel cannot gamble with the lives of its citizens.

Hana Levi Julian

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