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Dressed-Up Editorial

I was amused by last week’s editorial about the need for diversity in the judiciary (“Diversity Includes Orthodox Jews, Too”). While I agree with your bottom line, I would note that you essentially dressed up with carefully constructed prose what amounts to the not so elegant concept of divvying up political spoils among various interest groups.

Why are you – we – incapable of saying very simply that we want Orthodox Jews to get jobs as judges just like other groups demand and get? There is nothing shameful about it. Actually, such things are what make the world go ‘round.

Gary Schoenstein
(Via E-Mail)

My Generation (I)

D. Tzvi Trenk’s front-page essay (“My Generation: It’s All Right or It’s All Wrong,” Aug. 16) hit home for me.

Growing up in non-observant Conservative Jewish milieu, I would hear older Jews talk disparagingly about chassidim. I knew little or nothing about the yeshivish world. After we were married, my wife and I became more observant until we no longer belonged in the Conservative movement and joined the local Orthodox shul.

In our journeys we have davened in shuls representing all shades of Judaism, and while we are no longer comfortable in Reform or Conservative synagogues, we have been fortunate enough to have encountered modern, yeshivish, chassidish, and mixed congregations and are comfortable wherever we travel.

Even those who sincerely believe in Reform Judaism are at worst mistaken; they are not demons. Living in a bubble may protect you temporarily, but you’re only hiding your own light from others. Time to stop hiding the light and demonizing the “other.”

Harold Warren
Poughkeepsie, NY

My Generation (II)

I want to thank D. Tzvi Trenk for his painful and poignant front-page essay. When I read his lament that “Our generation may go down in history as the one that fatally lost the precious human capacity for cooperation and compromise,” I was heartbroken.

Our Modern Orthodox family lives in a community and a Jewish world with a very strong right-wing presence that takes many extreme positions. I am constantly explaining to our four children and the many students whom I have taught and continue to have interaction with that what Jews say is often not the same as what Judaism and Chazal teach.

One has to be extremely careful to distinguish between what certain groups and rabbis teach and what the Torah actually proclaims. Failure to make such distinctions can drive people away from the beauty of what was given to us at Sinai, especially when they confront misguided and often harmful practices in the Jewish community – from bullying in our Jewish educational institutions to parents at shul explaining that “Family X is not really religious” to other boorish behaviors that have nothing to do with and are an insult to who and what we are as a people.

Sinat chinam has and will indeed continue to do more harm than any outside challenge to the Jewish world. As we approach the Asseret Yemei Teshuvah may we all internalize the Vidui, especially the “For the misdeed we have committed by judging others” – and other expressions of this same sentiment.

Shanah Tovah u’Metukah to all and may this be a year in which we reclaim our tradition and ability to cooperate and compromise.

Dr. Saundra Sterling Epstein
Elkins Park, PA

More Is Less

Re “The Incredibly Shrinking Rabbinate” (front-page essay, Aug. 9):

On its website, Yeshivat Maharat states that it is “the first institution to ordain Orthodox women as spiritual leaders and halakhic authorities.”

If Yeshivat Maharat upholds halacha, as it claims to do, why then did it allow two adult women to publicly sing before a mixed audience of men and women at the school’s graduation ceremony? The prohibition of a man listening to the singing voice of a woman is clearly spelled out in the Shulchan Aruch (Even HaEzer 21:1).

At the graduation, a rabbi quoted the verse from Shir HaShirim – “Let me hear your voice [written in the feminine form in Hebrew] because your voice is pleasant” and used it to proclaim how wonderful it is that we are beginning to hear the voices of women from the pulpit. It is ironic that he quoted that, because the Gemara in Berachos 24a derives the prohibition to listen to the singing voice of a woman from this very pasuk!

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3 Responses to “Letters To The Editor”

  1. hophmi says:

    “The prohibition of a man listening to the singing voice of a woman is clearly spelled out in the Shulchan Aruch”

    Wow, for someone from the haredi frum community to accuse Yeshivat Marahat of kol hamosif goraya – that’s rich. 

    This whole letter takes a halachically complex issue and reduces it to soundbytes.  The same paragraph more or less prohibits any interaction between men and women in public.  And, newsflash, in Modern Orthodoxy, at least, nobody seemed to have a big problem with women singing in public until fairly recently.
    The irony is that it’s people like Mordechai Bulua who are kol hamosif goraya, not Yeshivat Marahat.  The prohibition in the Gemara was interpreted by many to be a prohibition on listening to women while saying the Shema or davening, not a blanket prohibition on listening to women speak or sing, as it has become in some the haredi community. 
    Bulua is on a crusade of Motzei Shem Rah against Yeshivats Chovevei and Marahat; http://www.bill613.com/opinion/opinion-shaar-hashomayim-congregation/

  2. hophmi says:

    “The prohibition of a man listening to the singing voice of a woman is clearly spelled out in the Shulchan Aruch”

    Wow, for someone from the haredi frum community to accuse Yeshivat Marahat of kol hamosif goraya – that’s rich. 

    This whole letter takes a halachically complex issue and reduces it to soundbytes.  The same paragraph more or less prohibits any interaction between men and women in public.  And, newsflash, in Modern Orthodoxy, at least, nobody seemed to have a big problem with women singing in public until fairly recently.
    The irony is that it’s people like Mordechai Bulua who are kol hamosif goraya, not Yeshivat Marahat.  The prohibition in the Gemara was interpreted by many to be a prohibition on listening to women while saying the Shema or davening, not a blanket prohibition on listening to women speak or sing, as it has become in some the haredi community. 
    Bulua is on a crusade of Motzei Shem Rah against Yeshivats Chovevei and Marahat; http://www.bill613.com/opinion/opinion-shaar-hashomayim-congregation/

  3. Rabbi Mordechai Bulua says:

    Hophni,
    It’s amazing how you put words in my mouth. I never wrote that public interactions between men and women are prohibited. You yourself admit that even in modern Orthodoxy, listening to women sing is prohibited. You must be living on another planet if you believe that there is a blanket prohibition in the haredi community to listen to a woman SPEAK! That’s ridiculous. Name me even ONE orthodox posek who says as you do; that the prohibition applies only when a man is davening or saying Shema. The Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer 21:1 does not qualify the prohibition for any reason.  I rest my case.

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