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Feisal Abdul Rauf says: The negative reaction we received was a serious disappointment. On the other hand, we were happy to see the incredible rallying around us by people of all different religions, religious leaders, political leaders, groups like the ACLU…

Here is a valuable lesson that non-Muslims must learn from Islamic supremacists. They never stop. They never give up, no matter how total a defeat. We, too, must never stop fighting for freedom.

If they attempt this mosquestrosity again, we will fight and defeat it again.


It is also very revealing how Rauf baldfaced lies — this holy man.

RCR: What did you mean when you said the United States “has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims”?FAS: I didn’t say those words.

Liar. I uncovered that audio here. He said: “We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non Muslims.”

RCR: What did you mean when you said Osama bin Laden was “made in the U.S.A.”?FAS: Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And after we won the Cold War, the unfortunate thing that happened thereafter was that the United States did not continue engaging with those elements and those countries to develop those countries in a positive way.

Ground Zero Mosque imam hopes triumphal Ground Zero Mosque will be built “within my lifetime”thanks to Robert Spencer, July 8, 2013

In this revealing interview, Rauf shows himself to be as oleaginous, disingenuous, and slick as ever — and still smarting over the resounding defeat Pamela Geller and I gave him when he tried to build a triumphal 16-story mega-mosque at Ground Zero, with the groundbreaking scheduled for September 11, 2011.

“Feisal Abdul Rauf: The RealClearReligion Interview,” by Nicholas G. Hahn III for RealClearReligion, July 8 (thanks to Neil):

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a controversial figure, to say the least. His Cordoba Initiative’s proposed Islamic community center in Lower Manhattan — the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” — ignited a firestorm that garnered international attention. After speaking at this year’s Council on Foreign Relations workshop in New York last month, Imam Rauf and I revisited that controversy as well as what President Barack Obama could do better in his engagement with the Muslim world.RealClearReligion: Are you disappointed that the proposed Park51 mosque has not yet been built?

Feisal Abdul Rauf: There were some things that were naturally disappointing. The negative reaction we received was a serious disappointment. On the other hand, we were happy to see the incredible rallying around us by people of all different religions, religious leaders, political leaders, groups like the ACLU, and many people who thought what was happening was the worst of America. The ability to do this represents the best of America.

No, the best of America was represented by the 70% of Americans who opposed this monument to Islamic supremacism and insult to the memories of those killed on 9/11. There are triumphal mosques on the sites of jihadi victories all over the Islamic world; the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount are the best known, but by no means the only ones. We don’t need one in New York City — and despite the stated intentions of the sinister and oily Rauf, that is exactly how this mosque would have been understood in the Islamic world, where there are no mosques of reconciliation, but plenty of mosques of triumph.

RCR: Do you hope the center will eventually be built?FAS: We are working on that. The agreement is still alive. I’m still hopeful that within my lifetime we’ll see something like that emerge.

And within my lifetime, we’ll resist it.

RCR: Why use the name Cordoba?FAS: When I started this, it was a multi-faith initiative where many Christian and Jewish friends of mine urged me to do something that would help improve U.S.-Muslim relations. Because this was a multi-faith initiative, we wanted a name that would have a positive connotation for not only Muslims, but for Christians and Jews, as well.

This is just as I explained at the height of the controversy: Rauf knows that Americans, fed ahistorical nonsense about Cordoba being a proto-multicultural paradise, would react positively to the name, whereas Muslims would also react positively, viewing Cordoba as a high-water mark of Islamic conquest and subjugation of the Infidels.

RCR: There are some who would say Cordoba didn’t represent historically positive Christian-Muslim relations.FAS: That’s like saying America represents nothing but negativity. Look, there is no era in history that was absolutely perfect.

Good of him to admit that Cordoba was hardly a paragon of interfaith harmony.

RCR: But weren’t mosques in Cordoba built on the ruins of Christian churches?FAS: Not always. What happened in Cordoba was a period of cooperation between Christians, Muslims, and Jews. It was a time of a great transfer of knowledge. All the books that were translated from Greek into Arabic were translated into Latin. Francis Bacon studied in Cordoba.

“Not always,” In other words, sometimes. And those were mosques of triumph, like his proposed Ground Zero Mosque. It was a period of cooperation between Christians, Muslims and Jews as long as the Jews and Christians knew their place as subjugated dhimmis; when they got out of line, they were killed. In Granada in 1066, a genuinely tolerant Muslim ruler appointed a Jew as vizier of the city; enraged Muslims, knowing that Islamic law forbade the dhimmis to hold authority over Muslims, then rioted and murdered 4,000 Jews.

It was an important period in time in terms of cooperation, in terms of history, in terms of a transfer of information — which actually kick started the Renaissance and the Reformation. We need this kind of cooperation today.RCR: Near the end of the Cordoba period, though, theological debates within Islam ended with the Mu’tazili, who were all about this transfer of knowledge, losing.



  1. Where does one begin with this one?

    Are not some living in a bubble?

    Is not a mosque by any other name still a mosque? If so, and one is built, then why not build a church and a synogogue too? And if we are going to build a church and a synogogue, won’t we be slighting the Hindus and the Buddhists, who naturally will want to clamor, along with the rest of the world’s hundreds of religions, for an honored spot too?

    And, if this happens, and why should it not, after all fair is fair in the land of the free and the brave, then will there be any space left to walk upon that will still actually represent the land that has been set aside and designated for a memorial?

    And, what happens to those individuals who do not find a representation of their faith? Is it really fair that they might be turned away/turned off (and let us consider that they may be guests visiting America from across the world) because a site intended for the public’s use has been made into a religious site?

    And then, what if a mosque is built on the site; does one not have to consider the historical curve Islam takes on allowing non-Islamic persons to gain entry into a mosque? Is not the Temple Mount an excellent example of what one can expect to see happen to Ground Zero? Does not Islamic history give clear, predictable, and certain indicators of what can logically be expected to happen, if not immediately, then down the line?

    And then finally, did not 9/11 not change just America, but the entire world too?

    Is it not estimated that there are over 7,000,000,000 people in the entire world? Could they not all, at one point or another over the lifetime of the memorial, visit ground zero? Is not the intended purpose of Ground Zero to immortalize and memorialize the tragic events of 9/11 and the precious loss of life for all time and for all people, forever?

    Shouldn’t we be calling a spade a spade? Does not the building of a mosque on Ground Zero represent just what people think it represents? A trophy?

    Wouldn’t it be right to do this sensibly and put it to a vote? And wouldn’t it be proper to have not just Americans, but the whole world participate in this vote since this memorial is meant for everyone? every last person in the world?

    After all, isn’t that the American way? and do we not separate religion and state for a reason? So that Mr. Rauf can have his opinion and goals, but like every citizen, he is governed by a higher power and the laws of this land to ensure that the interests of all are served rather than to the exclusivity of a few?

    Is it not time to burst the bubble?

  2. Just use Pamela Geller as a foundation stone. For do not worry, a mosque is not going to be built there. It is that extremists are just building it up, to spread their hysteria. I do not think the City of New York, would even allow them a building permit.

  3. Is it not time people, for the world to stop cowering and quivering like flighty weaklings in the face of Islam?

    Is it not time the world realizes that Islam is just a religion, like any other? one that is usually run by old men with sticks who go around beating the ankles of women whose skirts aren’t long enough?

    Come on people, if I am not afraid, why are you?

    Don’t you really have to stop and ask yourselves what exactly about Islam frightens you?

    Is it in fact because you believe Islam is from God and you do not want to submit?
    If you are unable or unwilling or unbelieving to submit, then why would you? What are you actually afraid of? Muslims or God?

    Isn’t it time for each and every person in this world to sit down and ask themselves that question? How do I actually feel about Islam and why? Who am I more afraid of God or another fellow human being who happens to be a Muslim? What do I really believe? Why am I hysterical about Islam? Is it not peaceful in my neighbohood today? Aren’t guys out mowing their lawns? Isn’t the grass still green? Aren’t kids outside laughing and playing? Isn’t your neighborhood and neighbors the same as they’ve always been? Aren’t the cookouts going on? Is your community and country generally as peaceful as it has always been?

    WHAT IS ALL THE WORRY ABOUT? Wake up people. The time to stand up and know WHERE YOU STAND on Islam is not in some distant future, it is RIGHT NOW; RIGHT???!

    If you are in good with God, isn’t that all that matters?

    And, as for people who like to blow things up; well isn’t that just disgraceful to the memory of Muhammud who advocated peacefulness and tolerance everywhere?

    In fact, are not individuals who initiate unprovoked violent actions upon an unsuspecting, non-aggressive, peaceful people not only a disgrace to Islam, AND TO THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, but also commiting a sacrilege against God? Their God, your God, my God whose by His word all things came into being? who loves ALL his creation right down to the smallest gnat?

    Well, I for one, intend to be the religion that most closely matches the God given comportment of my mind, heart, and resources; and, I will not accept myself being considered as an infidel/non-believer; or, being treated like a second class citizen, will you?

    And if anyone has a problem with that, THEY CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH MY GOD, GOT THAT?

    You see, to my God all things are equal. He loves each and every part of His creation right down to every last particle and beyond. His love is infinite and beyond human comprehension. Bless God, his mercy outstrips his anger. That is why the Messiah has not come.

    Within each realm of faith, to each true believer, the faith they practice is their truth. The realms don’t easily mesh, but God loves us all anyways. He accepts our prayers and our praises, and in return he blesses and answers our prayers, for each and everyone of us.

    In turn, in the end, we will not be judged by each others yardstick of judgement; but by our own and God’s.

    Isn’t it time to start taking stock in that? and making religion about God first? and trust in God that the rest will be taken care of? by the grace of God?

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