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I can’t Be Silent When a Fighter for Peace Is Attacked

Al Qaeda suspects captured in early 2013 in Turkey.

Al Qaeda suspects captured in early 2013 in Turkey.

You know, you don’t have to fight every injustice under the sun, but you do have to fight for a fighter who stands up to an injustice which is crouching like a lion in your own neighborhood, ready to pounce on you and eat you up.

There is a Muslim lady doing just that, fighting for Israel’s right to exist, for Jews to defend themselves against suicide bombers and other terrorist. She even asserts that Jews have the right to ascend to the Temple Mount and walk around and pray in peace and security. She asserts that Jews have every right, even every obligation to stream in from all over the world and become Israelis and populate the country. That’s very Zionistic. She is the Executive Director of a Turkish TV station and her name is Sinem Tezyapar. The name is not Jewish. She is Muslim. Her mentor, Adnan Oktar, is also Muslim.

A bit about Mr. Oktar:

Adnan Oktar, to whom Ms. Tezyapar looks for guidance, has evolved over the years in his thinking about Jews and Israel. Reputed to be a “Holocaust denier,” though he had fought that claim in court, as it was based on a book he has denied authoring, he had, over the years, come to clearly affirm the reality of the Holocaust in all its horrors for the Jewish people.

In 2004, the Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism at Tel Aviv University, reversing its findings of 2001, asserted that “he now works towards promoting inter-religious dialogue,” and that he is calling upon all Muslims to have “a tolerant and friendly attitude toward other religions.”

In 2006, Bilim Araştırma Vakfı, (BAV), the Turkish Science Research Foundation, an organization Oktar had founded to champion Creationism and combat Darwinian and all other forms of evolution (which he believed destructive to Turkish society), published a book strongly affirming the historic reality of the Holocaust.

The book, “Holocaust Violence,” states: “The Nazis subjected European Jews to indisputable and unforgivable cruelty during World War II. They humiliated, insulted and degraded millions of Jewish civilians, forcing them from their homes and enslaving them in concentration camps under inhuman conditions… Certainly the Jewish people, of whom 5.5 million died in concentration camps, were the worst victims of the Nazi barbarism.”

Ms. Tezyapar has also been very clear about her commitments. She writes:

“…For hundreds of years, Jews have known suffering, pain, and have never been at ease. Since the Diaspora, they have been expelled from almost every place they ever went for centuries. And now there are some who say they want the Jews to leave Israel also. The question arises, Where are they supposed to go? The Jews, the people of Israel, have the right to live in the Holy Land, in peace and security; indeed, it is so commanded by God Himself in the Qur’an: ‘And thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: Dwell securely in the Promised Land.’ (Surah Al-Isra, 104)

She does not write these things, in the isolation and security of a Swiss chalet high in the Alps, but in the heart of where such writing could hurt her the most – Istanbul, Turkey.

From there she invites for interviews on A9TV some of the leading figures in the religious and government echelons of the State of Israel, such as the former Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel, now Chief Rabbi of Tel Aviv, Rabbi Meir Lau, on October 18, 2011.

Rabbi Lau is one of the most respected rabbis in recent times, and the youngest survivor of the Nazi labor and death camp Buchenwald. His whole family was exterminated. He came to do the show.

There were also Rabbi Yeshayahu Ha Kohen Hollander, Rabbi Haim Druckman, Rav Avraham Yosef, Rav Avraham Sherman, Rabbi David Stav, Rabbi Ben Abrahamson, Jerusalem Post Editor Samuel Sokol, and MK Moshe Sheetrit. No feather weights, to be sure.

They all came after careful deliberation. Politicians and public figures don’t make commitments without checking first.

But not everyone is happy with Sinem Tezyapar. Though an outspoken supporter of Israel, there are voices coming out of Israel and elsewhere that view this Muslim lady as an apologist and a “shill” for Islam, an activist against the interests of Israel, a charlatan.
But is this so? Is Ms Tezyapar a Trojan horse who has gained entrance into the Troy of Jerusalem?

But as loud and insulting the Jewish and Israeli critics of her have been, they’re nothing compared with the ugly and far more deadly voices and now actions against her coming from her co-religionists on the Muslim “right,” the radicals, and Al Qaeda.

Here is what her public friendship with Jews and Israel and anti-terrorism stand has brought her:

It is now been made public that an Al Qaida ring had been smashed in Turkey’s two main cities, Istanbul and Ankara, and also in the smaller Corlu district, with stashes of weapon and explosives.

Turkish police and counter terrorist units arrested 12 people, including eight Turks, two Azeris and two Chechens, and seized 700 kilos (1,500 pounds) of explosives, along with assault rifles, ammunition, bomb-making instructions and detailed maps of Ankara and the floor plans of attack targets.

Forensic analysis of seized computers and printed documents revealed preparations for bomb attacks on the American embassy, the private Rahmi M. Koc Museum, and a synagogue in the Balat district of Istanbul. Found also was an assassination plan against Adnan Oktar, along with the floor plan of his home.

This is a statement from the official police report that was issued:

“Within the scope of investigation (No. 2012/229) carried by Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor’s Office, the Anti-Terror Branch Office performed an operation against the Al-Qaeda Organization in Tekirdağ and Istanbul on February 27, 2013. As a result of the examination made on the digital data obtained from the homes of the targeted people, it is determined that the addresses of the houses and offices of Adnan Oktar were scouted.”

The Al-Qaeda members were captured with 22 kilos of A-4 explosives. The Hurriyat News ran the headline “They were going to cover everywhere with blood.”

Here is the Turkish original:

Emniyet Genel Müdürlüğü Terör Daire Başkanlığı’ndaki bilişim uzmanları, dizüstü bilgisayarların şifrelerini kırarak içindeki dosyalara ulaştı. Uzmanlar tarafından deşifre edilen bilgisayar dosyalarında, televizyon programcısı Acun Ilıcalı ile kamuoyunda Adnan Hoca olarak bilinan Adnan Oktar’a ait ev ve işyerlerinin fotoğrafları, istihbarat notları çıktı. Ayrıca örgüt üyelerinin bombalı eylemler için hazırlık yaptıkları Koç Müzesi, Amerikan Büyükelçiliği ve Balat’taki bir Sinagog’a ait krokiler de bulundu (Hurriyat News)

Ms Tezyapar told me at the time, over the phone: “My point is that we are committed with our lives, youth, time, energy, money—whatever it takes. We do not earn anything from our activities, we see this as a service to God and people who are in God’s service should never expect any recompense… This is necessary so that people have no doubts about our sincerity, because we are not in this for any kind of personal benefit. On the contrary we have been constantly defamed, plotted against, slandered.

“This is an honor for us because all Prophets and their followers have been persecuted, slandered. Prophet Moses had Pharaoh against him, Prophet Abraham had Namrud against him. When you are preaching the truth, and you are influential in that, your enemy becomes stronger.

“Mr. Adnan Oktar has gone through nine assassination attempts, Allah protected him every time… There are almost endless threats… and constant psychological warfare”

It is apparent that Al Qaeda does not look favorably upon Ms Tezyapar and that is why she and her mentor and others have the right to request Turkish protective security measures. They have not requested this. It is upon all of us, if we are not fighters ourselves, to be fighters for the fighters. That’s how the world works. That’s how it should work. That is how we too can make a contribution to the fight against the ugly face of terrorism, and hatred. It is a function of love and of righteousness.

About the Author: Born in Brooklyn, NY, in 1938, semi retired, lived more than 20 years in Israel, now living in Tallahassee, Florida. B.A. from Brooklyn College, M.A. from New York University. Taught at the Dept. of Religion of Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville NY, and the English Dept. of Tel Aviv University. Clergyman of the Aramaic Church.


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49 Responses to “I can’t Be Silent When a Fighter for Peace Is Attacked”

  1. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    wasn't Oktar found to be a schizophrenic? Did you ever hear of taquiyya? And Jews and Rabbis should not be shilling for Islam….

  2. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    Yahya has publicly offered a lucrative prize for anyone who can produce a “transitional fossil” – the lack of which he claims proves evolution to be false. When Dawkins publicly lampooned the research in the Atlas of Creation (he pointed out that one of the photos of a Caddis Fly was in fact a fishing fly, complete with metal hook, stolen from the internet, pictured), and labelled Yahya a charlatan on his website, Yahya used his considerable influence and battalion of lawyers to sue for libel and have Dawkins’s website banned in Turkey. This is just one of thousands of cases he has brought before the Turkish courts.

    Despite the shoddiness of his science Yahya has found a ready audience among those looking for scientific justification for their rejection of the West. Over the past decades he has served as an adviser to several Turkish politicians, and received endorsements from across the Arab world including Saudi Arabia and Dubai, where his stalls feature prominently at book fairs. He has also proved a fascinating subject for the Western media, offering all-expenses-paid flights to Istanbul to any journalist wishing to interview him, and making himself available for radio interview whenever required. In recent years he has been interviewed by the Irish Times, by American National Public Radio, by Gordon Liddy on Radio America, by the American science magazine Seed and even by The Skeptic magazine. While coverage in the West tends to treat Yahya’s scientific claims with derision (though all are still posted on his website as evidence of his growing influence), he is treated far more seriously across the Muslim world. From daily newspapers in Egypt and Bosnia to influential satellite TV stations like al-Jazeera and (the Iran-funded) Press TV, to small Muslim broadcasters in the West like Radio Ummah and Radio Ramadan, Harun Yahya’s argument, with its appearance of scientific credibility, its crowd-pleasing critique of Western materialism and its promise of the imminent collapse of the “Darwinist Dictatorship”, is enthusiastically welcomed by a new audience hungry for compensatory narratives of Islamic superiority. As the American journalist Nathan Schneider argued, to judge Yahya’s message on its scientific content alone misses the point: “its power, for those who are not scientifically literate, lies in its vision of redemption.”.

    As well as being confidante to Islamist radicals, Yahya has received endorsements from conservative congressmen in the US for his strong stance against Islamic terrorism, is feted by extreme orthodox Sanhedrin Rabbis in Israel for his anti-atheism, and has ambitions to create a Turkish-Islamic union, a new Ottoman Empire girdling the world from Eastern Russia to Western Nigeria, which would unify the Islamic world under Turkish leadership.

    But how many of those who enthusiastically swallow Yahya’s message are aware that he is a diagnosed schizophrenic who, in 2008, was convicted of running a criminal organisation? If his final appeal before Turkey’s Supreme Court fails, he faces up to three years in prison.

    How did such a man acquire the standing, and the financial resources, to be a player in global debates about the origins of life and the future of relations between Islam and the West? To answer this I have travelled repeatedly to Istanbul over the last few months (at my own expense), contacting sources and speaking to former members of his group, to journalists and political commentators who have followed his bizarre career and to legal experts who have defended individuals targeted by Yahya’s organisations. Many of my interviewees spoke on condition of anonymity, out of fear of the barrage of court cases his defectors and critics have been facing in recent years, described by one of his former acolytes as a campaign of “legal terror”.

    As I arrive in Istanbul in July 2009 I am told that while he awaits the outcome of his final appeal Yahya can be spotted visiting Istanbul’s high-end shopping malls Kanyon and Istinye Park, accompanied by an entourage of men and women dressed in expensive, identical, designer clothes, their eyes concealed behind sunglasses. In his trademark garb – well-groomed beard, white linen suit and designer shades – he cuts the figure of a man of authority and influence, a man confident in his own importance. But is anything about him what it seems?

    Certainly not the name Harun Yahya, which is a pseudonym used mainly for his operations in the English-speaking world. His real name is Adnan Oktar though in Turkey he is also known as Adnan Hodja (Preacher Adnan) and, to his followers, he is Adnan Agabey (Big Brother Adnan). Born in Ankara in 1956, by the late 1970s he was a student at the Academy of Fine Arts in Istanbul, where he studied interior design. During this time he fell under the influence of the ideas of a charismatic Islamist preacher and moderniser, Said-i Nursi, in particular Nursi’s marrying of Islamic mysticism with scientific rhetoric.

    It was in the years of violence and repression following the coup of September 1980, which installed a military junta, that Adnan Oktar began to emerge as a public figure in Turkey. In an environment of political and cultural instability, with Turkey threatened by Cold War politics from without and the clash between Kemalist secular modernisers and a rising tide of Islamic militancy within, the stage was set for a new character, a modern Turkish-Muslim man. On to this stage walked Oktar, clutching the first of his books, Judaism and Freemasons, a derivative retread of anti-Semitic clichés in the manner of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which identified Jews and the masons as the devious obstacles to the emergence of a new, powerful Turkish-Muslim nation. “The principal mission of Jews and Freemasons in Turkey,” Oktar wrote, “was to erode the spiritual, religious, and moral values of the Turkish people and make them like animals.”.

    Following publication Oktar was arrested, charged with promoting a theocratic revolution, a crime against the secular code. He eventually served 19 months, though he was never formally charged. During this period he was confined to a prison clinic, and then Bakirkoy Mental Hospital, where he was diagnosed with an obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and schizophrenia. Though I have seen the formal diagnosis myself, it is still not clear whether the symptoms were genuine. Some, like his former colleague Islamist author Edip Yuksel, who was imprisoned in 1986 at the same time, believe Oktar was faking to avoid compulsory military service and criminal charges. (“Which is ironic,” wrote Yuksel, “since he was indeed mentally ill; he was a delusional maniac.”) Already by this point, Yuksel reports, Oktar believed himself to be the Mehdi, the messiah foretold in Sunni theology.

  3. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    "allah" protected him? lol…so you buy into allah…oy to the vey.

  4. Larisa Silbert says:

    Thank you Bert, for saying exactly what I feel about this subject! And so eloquently as well.

    It's sad that so many people presume the worst about good people like Sinem. She's spending lots of time and energy to stand up for what she believes in, and I think it's great. She's also helping to convince lots of other people to think this way; why would promote tolerance and understanding if she didn't believe in it? Makes no sense whatsoever.

    It's so ridiculous that some people lump every Muslim into two categories: 1) Against Us or 2) Pretending Not to Be Against Us, But Actually Against Us. Talk about tarring 1.6 billion people with the same brush.

    As far as Oktar, surely Rabbi Israel Lau, former Chief Rabbi and the chairman of Yad Vashem, is a good judge of character? if Rabbi Lau trusts Oktar enough to be on his show, I think that says a lot!

  5. Larisa Silbert says:

    What possible benefit in terms of taqqiya could Sinem get from preaching tolerance and trying to build bridges? The end result is that she's encouraging positive values in her mostly-Turkish viewership/readership, so unless you think it's a Giant Conspiracy Plot that All of Turkey Is In On (reminiscent of the paranoid International Jewish Conspiracy theories), I can't see why anyone who doesn't believe in tolerance would preach it to others.

    If she believes what she says (which I believe is unquestionable), then she's a wonderful person whose being hounded unfairly and yet still continues to believe these things, when other people might have given up.

  6. Lisa Liel says:

    Nanette, how exactly do you know she's a shill? I mean, suppose a Muslim does learn how to think for herself and decides like any rational human being that Israel is right and Jews are good? How would such a person ever convince you? Is there any way such a person could convince you? Is there something this woman could do that would make you say, "Holy cow, I guess she's for real"?

    If not, then this is just prejudice. And I say that as a long time Kachnik. Don't reject the possibility of friends among our enemies.

  7. Lisa Liel says:

    You get that "Allah" simply means God in Arabic, right? It's the name that countless Jewish sages who spoke Arabic used when they referred to God. The way we say "God", even though that actually comes from a German false god called Gott.

  8. Larisa Silbert says:

    I wonder what Nanette would have to say about Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of the founder of Hamas, who risked his life collaborating with Israel and is considered the ultimate traitor by his own family (and would probably be killed if he went anywhere near them)
    Some human beings learn to think for themselves. Some human beings are jerks, but that's hardly something that any race/nation has a monopoly on (Stanford Prison Experiment is a great example)

  9. Adele Bloom says:

    Thanks Nanette!! great Post!!

  10. Sinem and Adnan R very special people I wish we had more good Muslims like them peace will be close, God bless them both and keep them safe, and thank you for your work.

  11. She is putting her life on the line from radical Muslims who R against all she is saying and fight for, so all we have to say to Sinem is Thank you.

  12. Nothing is wrong with the word Allah the Terrorists made that word sound bad.

  13. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    well, Lisa, I posted a bunch of articles about it on one of the other ten articles that this newspaper keeps posting..i am not going to keep doing that…and i posted a portion of one right on this page…I am beginning to think that some of you are being paid to shill for Yori and Schlossberg..do your OWN research

  14. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    No, Lisa, Jews do NOT say Allah and it comes from a moon gd…..don't try to get over on me and leave me alone..go tell it to Allah or Yori or Schlossberg

  15. Ron Kall says:

    The fact that muslims have to put their life on the line to be free thinkers says it all. Their will never be a rapprochement with isalm, because too many of their adherents are violent and have no compulsion what so ever in killing those that don't toe their line!

  16. Claire Friedman Bennett says:

    Hassan provided useful information to Israeli security services. But it has been reported that statements he made in Arabic demonstrated he had different loyalties, although he commands $10,000 a pop to make pro-Israel speeches. Things are not always as simple as they look.

  17. Sinem Tezyapar is a friend of Jews. Her teacher or mentor, Adnan Oktar has come a long way in his thinking to share his present outlook with Sinem and others, I hope. They are going to have to be extra careful of people in al Qaeda now that they have shared their opinions. I hope they have the courage of their convictions and continue to strive to bring about a peaceful understanding of Jews in the Muslim world. Sinem, I'm trying to do that too, with my writings. I'm finding that there are a lot of misunderstandings. For example, it wasn't understood that Ashkenazi Jews are of the same family as Sephardic Jews and that the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE caused some to flee to Rome, then Germany, and on up to eastern Europe. We did not originate in Germany! We share the same dna. You can read it all in http://jewishbubba.blogspot.com.

  18. The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

    Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. he Recently an IMAM WALKED OUT BEFORE THE SInging OF HATIKVAH at an holocaust interfaith service. I refused to attend and resigned from the organiztion. I created the holocaust service and formally served as president of the organization. The Iman promised me he would have a press conference with me declaring in America we will not listen to Morsi and others who call Jews Apes and ask for our destruction. The press conference was never held. Jews wake up and stop being such liberals. Parts of Europe are becoming Judenrein RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG

  19. Jack Huffman says:

    i agree with you… keep-up the good work :)

  20. Hi Nadene! N
    ow I know why I felt so much at home with Puertoriquenos in Brooklyn.

  21. Hi again, Nadene! Now I know why I felt so much at home with Puertoriquenos in Brooklyn

  22. Jack Huffman says:

    there is nothing wrong if someone says I WAS WRONG I mean what possibly can harm us in having friendship with the Muslims?
    we R all striving for better life better future for our children and we all want peace but now we need to work for that peace, no one is perfect beside they r offering friendship with the Jews and Israel for crying out loud! no one think about that before in this way I mean,

    we always talk about peace and how we r striving for it but I think it's time to actually do it and if sinem is "a fake" we will know by the end of the road and it will be a start for others but if we crucify her like this no one will ever dare to step on this road from the Muslims beside we need friends in the area, I want to tell u a story please hear me out.

    i'm a Syrian Jew and after I fled to Egypt because of the war in Syria and after I lost my family and everything I tried to come to the beloved Israel to live with my people "Jewish" I got rejected in a very bad way I was treated like if I'm the enemy? even when I added friends from Israel on FB they unfriend me after they knew that I'm from Syria I mean I'm Jewish for crying out loud and they refused me? so the idea is not the Muslims it's everyone not from Israel.

  23. Jack Huffman says:

    ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, e.g. Ugaritic:

  24. Ryan Mervin says:

    I think this article speaks loud and clear, its not as though Israel has a surplus of muslims willing to speak out on its behalf. Sinem and Aylin are beautiful and genuine people who work for peace, I don't know MR Oktar and while has has said some things that concern me, I know that I said things when I was younger that I regret. the bottom line is that the people who claim Sinem is a shill, clearly haven't taken the time to speak with her on a personal level.

  25. Ashir Khan says:

    Damn!! This Adnan Oktar guy isn't even that good looking, only Allah knows how he gets all these fit chicks like Sinem T ;)

  26. That right Lisa. That's why the New Testament in Aramaic, as well as the Arab Christians in the Galilee call God Allah. It all comes from the Aramaic which translates Elohim as Allah. Lakh AeLLAH avahti = You God of my fathers.So there are two things Allah means God, and Allah means the Koranic understanding of God. Both are legite. If you hear Rabbi Hollander in the press conference with Adnan Oktar, he says "In sha'ALLah" = If God wills, just at the right place he would say in Hebrew, "Im yirtzeh ha Shem" = If God wills

  27. That right Lisa. That's why the New Testament in Aramaic, as well as the Arab Christians in the Galilee call God Allah. It all comes from the Aramaic which translates Elohim as Allah. Lakh AeLLAH avahti = You God of my fathers.So there are two things Allah means God, and Allah means the Koranic understanding of God. Both are legite. If you hear Rabbi Hollander in the press conference with Adnan Oktar, he says "In sha'ALLah" = If God wills, just at the right place he would say in Hebrew, "Im yirtzeh ha Shem" = If God wills

  28. Ashir Khan says:

    Playboy Adnan ;)

  29. Lisa Liel That right, Lisa. That's why the New Testament in Aramaic, as well as the Arab Christians in the Galilee call God Allah. It all comes from the Aramaic which translates Elohim as Allah. Lakh AeLLAH avahti = You God of my fathers.So there are two things Allah means God, and Allah means the Koranic understanding of God. Both are legite. If you hear Rabbi Hollander in the press conference with Adnan Oktar, he says "In sha'ALLah" = If God wills, just at the right place he would say in Hebrew, "Im yirtzeh ha Shem" = If God wills. The quote in Aramaic above, "God of my fathers' is from Daniel chapter 2 but Allah, AeLLah is used through out for Elohim, or the opposite, Elohim is used for Allah. Just words. it's the Goodness and the Reality of the God behind that matters!

  30. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    I don't go by the New Testament.

  31. Jack Huffman says:

    Don't worry brother
    but about what???

  32. Dear friend i'm Jack Huffman and i just wanna say i'm very truly sorry if i offended you in any way??? but i think that u and me in the same team and i'm not the enemy but i'm simply speak another language. sorry again i didn't expect u will block me for nothing???

  33. Donny Kligman says:

    Yeah and he converted to Christianity because Islam is a religion of genocidal anti-semitic lunacy.

  34. Sam Westrop says:

    Oktar continues to deny the Holocaust, albeit his absolute denial is now just a form of revisionism.

    See Page 29 of this document taken from Oktar's website.

    http://standforpeace.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/complete_works_of_Harun_Yahya.pdf

    He claims Jews died naturally of disease in the camps.

    Just before that he talks about the mafia being built on the 'jewish arms trade' as well as his anti-semitic tract entitled 'Judaism and Freemasonry'.

  35. Lisa Michelle says:

    Ryan Mervin, Oktar hasn't evolved. That's the whole point we've been trying to make. This is an ideology. As long as Oktar remains true to Islam, he's not going to change any time in the near future. The man wants to lead a Turkish-Islamic union, a modern-day Ottoman Empire that would nullify Israel's sovereignty. He says so plain and clear and is still saying the very same things that he always did. You just haven't checked to verify it. You're taking Sinem's, Yori's, and Schlossberg's word for it at no more than face value.

    The Stephen Roth Institute in 2004 was a day too early and a dollar too short. Since then, Oktar has emerged with countless other well-documented anti-Semitic statements. You just haven't been paying attention. While Oktar has tried to scrub his anti-Semitic record and has used the courtroom as a form of civilized Jihad, lawfare, to do so, he has left a tremendous trail. He has never changed his ideology. He is an anti-Semitic Holocaust revisionist, and, if you continue to promote this false narrative that is rooted in propaganda and lies and is meant to divide, you too are complicit. Oktar pits one segment against the other–good Jew, bad Jew–the atheist Zionist Jews against the Torah Observant ones. At the end of the day, neither will come out ahead.

    I have nothing against Sinem personally. She is no more than a mouthpiece for Oktar, and he might be exploiting her as well. However, whether willingly or not, she is the messenger in this case, and her voice must not be promoted further. Oktar orchestrates it from behind, and his intentions are not as loving and peaceful as he seems to profess.

    If you care about Israel and the Jewish people, and I know that you do, you have a responsibility to do the footwork yourself, and I urge you to do so. Don't just take our word for it, but please don't just take Oktar's and Sinem's word for it either. Research it for yourself at the links that Sam Westrop provided below. They are thorough and scholarly reports, and, having read them, you will walk away all the wiser and more aware.

  36. Lisa Michelle says:

    @Larsa Silbert, what you "feel" will be to the detriment of a lot of good people. This is not about tolerance. If you took the time to do you homework as you should have been doing, you would know that Adnan Oktar is the one who is intolerant.

    How much do you now about the real voice behind the messenger, Adnan Oktar, anyway? Have you even taken a fragment of your time to research any of the links and information about him that we've provided? "If Rabbi Israel Lau says so, that's good enough for you. Please then, if that's what you use as a measure to verify facts, stop promoting Oktar's message! You're bringing us down with you and have no idea what you're saying!

  37. Lisa Michelle says:

    Claire Friedman Bennett, you're wasting your time trying to explain it to Lorisa. After all, she's the one who said,

    "As far as Oktar, surely Rabbi Israel Lau, former Chief Rabbi and the chairman of Yad Vashem, is a good judge of character? if Rabbi Lau trusts Oktar enough to be on his show, I think that says a lot!"

    In other words, as far as she's concerned, she doesn't need to bother herself with real facts and research. If Rabbi Lau thinks so, that's good enough for her. Now that's quite a leap of faith. I wouldn't want to hang my life on it though!

  38. David Talbot says:

    Thanks Lisa Michelle, I am so astounded with what you posted. What scares me most is that I too would have re-posted the piece had I seen it. I am going to find Stand For Peace and get on their mail list. Again, thanks!

  39. David Talbot says:

    I'm almost 70 years old, Close to the time that my soul gets it's factory recall. I wish I was content with the world that I might be leaving, especially for my grandchildren. BTW, when you speak of being taken in, I assume you are referring to the "Jewish Press", yes?

  40. David Talbot says:

    I have no idea how your comments on the Jewish Press article showed up on Facebook, that's kinda scary :(

  41. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    that's the way it works, David…there is a checkbox on Jewish Press..if you don't UNcheck it, it appears on FB

  42. Nanette CohenRayman says:

    Lisa and I are fighting against all this taquiyya. Lisa is doing a phenomenal job.

  43. Scott Swanson says:

    Lisa, they are now reaching out to the Moderate Muslims here in the States. One of mine asked what do you think of these people? Well I told her that he thinks he's the Mahdi, he is a nutter butter cookie who will use words of peace to subjugate the gullible. Personally, I believe Israel is stronger than this……

  44. I'd Like to ask a question of both sides of the debate, but of course, I am particularly interested in the response of the detractors of the motives of Sinem, and her group. Their TV show and their public friendly stance, has not only drawn leading Jewish relgious and some governmental figures to public exposure to the Turkish population, it has also drawn the attention of very unfavorable Muslim extemist, radical terrorist elements. Yet they keep talking and writing about.

    the right of Jews to become citizens of Israel, to make aliyah, to be on the Temple mount, to defend themselves, to live without rockets falling on them, etc. These are public "advertisements" in Turkey, not in some safe haven in a U.S. supburb through an anonymous website. They continue even after Al Qaeda according to Turkish police and counterterrorism units who smashed them, have lumped them with American Embassy, the Balat district synagogue, and another key place, for extermination, all backed up with their ready to go explosives, and assault weapons, now safely in Police hands. Would'nt this lead you to believe that they are sincere about their present public pro Israel, or Jewish stand? What reason do you think that they would have for endangering their own life, if not that they are of sincere conviction and that conviction has very positive resonances for Israel? I think that is what the Rabbis that visit have seen and what motivated them in the first place to take this group seriously enought to go to Turkey.

  45. I'd Like to ask a question of both sides of the debate, but of course, I am particularly interested in the response of the detractors of the motives of Sinem, and her group. Their TV show and their public friendly stance, has not only drawn leading Jewish relgious and some governmental figures to public exposure to the Turkish population, it has also drawn the attention of very unfavorable Muslim extemist, radical terrorist elements. Yet they keep talking and writing about.

    the right of Jews to become citizens of Israel, to make aliyah, to be on the Temple mount, to defend themselves, to live without rockets falling on them, etc. These are public "advertisements" in Turkey, not in some safe haven in a U.S. supburb through an anonymous website. They continue even after Al Qaeda according to Turkish police and counterterrorism units who smashed them, have lumped them with American Embassy, the Balat district synagogue, and another key place, for extermination, all backed up with their ready to go explosives, and assault weapons, now safely in Police hands. Would'nt this lead you to believe that they are sincere about their present public pro Israel, or Jewish stand? What reason do you think that they would have for endangering their own life, if not that they are of sincere conviction and that conviction has very positive resonances for Israel? I think that is what the Rabbis that visit have seen and what motivated them in the first place to take this group seriously enought to go to Turkey.

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