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Can Gedolim Make Mistakes?

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Rav Kook continues:

“Certainly, the Redemption hasn’t yet reached completion. Many Torah leaders backed away from the Zionist cause, and even fought against it, because they wanted the Redemption (Geula) to be instantly complete. They attached themselves to the idea that the Geula had to be completely kosher from its inception, as opposed to being a gradual process, unfolding through many individuals, organizations, wars, political agreements, and the hard manual labor of making the desert bloom, in order to bring the Redemption toward its final fulfillment. They couldn’t accept a Redemption which spread out in many directions, including secular movements replete with apikorsim and free thinkers who had thrown off the yoke of the Torah. Nor could they come to terms with the Geula’s unfolding in natural, down-to-earth events.

“When the Rebbe of Belz came on aliyah, he said, ‘We realize now that we erred in our estrangement from Eretz Yisrael.’ Other Gedolim also repented over their shortsightedness. If this repentance had occurred 30 years before, preceding the Holocaust, prompting the mass aliyah of devout God-fearing Jews, the spiritual situation is Israel would be very different today.

“The beginning of the Zionist awakening was filled with uncertainty, but today there aren’t any doubts. We see eye to eye the acts of Hashem revealed in the ingathering of the exiles and the incredible rebuilding of the Nation in the Land. It has become increasingly clear that those who supported the return to Zion were right and that the halacha is according to those who are sharper in the depth and illumination of the truthfulness of this great matter.”

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22 Responses to “Can Gedolim Make Mistakes?”

  1. shmuelik says:

    This is chutzpah! The Gemorah states that we are to wait in golus and not go up to Eretz Yisroel by force against the nations until Moshiach comes.The Tzionim and the chofshim brought us the Holocaust. The biggest golus today is in EY. How can you publish this dribble?????

  2. Yori Yanover says:

    We published this “dribble” (you’re sure you didn’t mean “drivel”?) because it makes sense. You can cherry pick the gemorah for citations to fit anyone’s opinion, but in the end the natural place for a Jewish person is in Eretz Israel.

    The rebbes who could have urged their flock in Poland to pick up and leave, and didn’t, can be counted among the causes for the carnage a great deal more than the Zionists who actually did something to prepare a shelter for the remnants.

    The Belzer rebbe had a lot to answer for, as did the Gerrer rebbe, whose Polish chassidim were eager to come to Palestine in the 1930s and needed just a strong urging. Most of the rebbes, save for the Rizhiners, dropped the ball in the 30s. Now there’s a dribble!

  3. shmuelik says:

    kook let his enthusiam blind him. Name one other Godol that backed zionism.

  4. Jojo Cruse says:

    R u kidding ,thay made ,and thay keep makeing ,

  5. Jojo Cruse says:

    Thay would rather die with there hasidim than saying thay made a mistake !! Thay dont want משיח to come

  6. Torah Qanda says:

    very nice.thanks.

  7. Tzvi Fishman says:

    To name a few: Moshe Rabainu, Yehoshua Ben Nun, David HaMelech, Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, the Rambam, the Ramban, Rabbi Yehuda HaLevi, Rashi, The Gaon of Vilna, the Arizal, Rabbi Yosef Caro, The Or HaChaim HaKodosh, Rebbe Nachman, the Chofetz Chaim….

  8. Yori Yanover says:

    The Ohaley Yaakov was a great lover of the Zionists and the Chalutzim. The entire Sadigor and Husiatin dynasties were pro-Zionist.

  9. Anastasia Klein says:

    I like this.

  10. Ben Seligson says:

    I disagree with your premise about Gedolim not making mistakes. Our forefathers (Neveeay Hashem) made many mistakes. Genesis is replete with these errors. Remember the gemara that says "echad hamarbeh veached hamamit ubilvad sheyichaven leebo lashomayim. When ppl do not consider what Gd wants, it can end up in disaster.

  11. The article shares the attitude of Korach, who claimed that the laws Moshe implemented were based on personal interests, and not divine. It's true that todays gedolim do not have prophecy, but part of belief in Hashem is emunas chachomim. In our generation each person can choose his own rav, and one can choose disciples of rav Kook. But saying that all those Jews that disagree with my views are "mistaken", and their leaders are "mistaken" is slanderous, closed minded, and simply belittles G-d's chosen. We need to be encouraging each Jew to have faith in his leader, and avoid the path of Korach that sought to uproot emunas chachomim.

  12. The article shares the attitude of Korach, who claimed that the laws Moshe implemented were based on personal interests, and not divine. It's true that todays gedolim do not have prophecy, but part of belief in Hashem is emunas chachomim. In our generation each person can choose his own rav, and if the author chooses to follow a disciple of rav Kook, that's fine. But for a person to say that all Jews that disagree with my views are "mistaken", and their leaders are "mistaken" is slanderous, closed minded, and simply belittles G-d's chosen. We need to be encouraging each Jew to have faith in the leader he chose, and avoid the path of Korach that sought to uproot emunas chachomim.

  13. Ariel Weber says:

    "emunat hhakhamim" is not synonymous with "emuna behhakhamim."

    or in other words, the faithfulness that the wise have/had is not the same as giving your faithfulness to the wise.

  14. eathummus says:

    I heard this line of thinking (the article) when I was in a Rav Kook Yeshiva. However:

    -The Zionist movement was lead by those who were secular.
    -Jews sinned by not entering the Land because Moses was the highest prophet and he directed them to do so. Hertzl and his cohorts were the antithesis of Torat Moshe.
    -We don’t know who the Erev Rav is and according to the Gra, who they quote in the article, they are supposed to be the leaders of the Nation before Mashiach.
    -Hertzl didn’t circumcise his own children and wanted to initially to have Jews convert to Christianity.
    -The State of Israel hasn’t caused anti-Jewish sentiments to decreased at all, in fact has ushered in an era of new enemies.

  15. Yori Yanover says:

    Justin White — Thank you for the list. It’s been used by the Haredi establishment to cover the essential, shameful erva of the failure of its great ones, the gedolim, to save millions of Jewish lives by merely reminding them of the very useful mitzvah of making aliya to Eretz HaKodesh. Instead they told them — some explicitly so — that things would get better, lulling them into a false sense of safety.

    The Haredim cannot stomach this accusation and so they respond by pointing to how many kibbutzniks are eating bacon. No skin off my nose.

  16. Justin White says:

    I heard this line of thinking (the article) when I was in a Rav Kook Yeshiva. However:

    -The Zionist movement was lead by those who were secular.
    -Jews sinned by not entering the Land because Moses was the highest prophet and he directed them to do so. Hertzl and his cohorts were the antithesis of Torat Moshe.
    -We don't know who the Erev Rav is and according to the Gra, who they quote in the article, they are supposed to be the leaders of the Nation before Mashiach.
    -Hertzl didn't circumcise his own children and wanted to initially to have Jews convert to Christianity.
    -The State of Israel hasn't caused anti-Jewish sentiments to decreased at all, in fact has ushered in an era of new enemies.

  17. Yeremiahu Rueben Yonteff says:

    This article is pretty dumb, why doesn't anyone tell the truth about the original philosophy of zionism? The fact that anti-judaism zionists did not get what they wanted and judaism at least partially won out over secular assimilationist goals is not proof of the wisdom of secular zionism nor the foolishness of rabbis, rather than making the outrageous claim that anti-zionist rabbis are like korach, they should say the early zionists were like bilaam, they meant it for evil but hashem made it for good.

  18. Charlie Hall says:

    ' But for a person to say that all Jews that disagree with my views are "mistaken", and their leaders are "mistaken" is slanderous, closed minded, and simply belittles G-d's chosen. '

    In fact there have recently been a number of such statements from charedi gedolim in Israel.

  19. Bracha Bennett-Garland says:

    The Maharal wrote that it is better to have a corrupt Jewish government in Israel than for Israel to be under non-Jewish authority. (His commentary stated that this was to be a worst-case scenario, obviously this is not ideal).
    Regarding Hertzl, he did not convert to xtianity, and after the Dreyfus affair, made no efforts to do so. He married a Jewish woman and raised a secular family. There is a measure of heaven which is given over to those who labor on behalf of the good of Am Yisrael, which Herzl did do. He, and his family had the merit to be buried is Eretz Yisrael, even those grandchildren who had not lived here.
    New enemies. Our enemies are not new, nor was the purpose of returning to Eretz Yisrael to decrease anti-semitism. The purpose was the return itself. Here Jews can fulfill the mitzvoth in ways we cannot anywhere else. It is not about having conveniences like kosher restaurants or other frivolities. I am watching my son grow up to be proud of being a Jew and keeping mitzvoth in a way that Jews who live outside cannot. Even in America. It is the difference between being 'tolerated' in a land, and having a home.

  20. Bracha Bennett-Garland says:

    The Maharal wrote that it is better to have a corrupt Jewish government in Israel than for Israel to be under non-Jewish authority. (His commentary stated that this was to be a worst-case scenario, obviously this is not ideal).
    Regarding Hertzl, he did not convert to xtianity, and after the Dreyfus affair, made no efforts to do so. He married a Jewish woman and raised a secular family. There is a measure of heaven which is given over to those who labor on behalf of the good of Am Yisrael, which Herzl did do. He, and his family had the merit to be buried is Eretz Yisrael, even those grandchildren who had not lived here.
    New enemies. Our enemies are not new, nor was the purpose of returning to Eretz Yisrael to decrease anti-semitism. The purpose was the return itself. Here Jews can fulfill the mitzvoth in ways we cannot anywhere else. It is not about having conveniences like kosher restaurants or other frivolities. I am watching my son grow up to be proud of being a Jew and keeping mitzvoth in a way that Jews who live outside cannot. Even in America. It is the difference between being 'tolerated' in a land, and having a home.

  21. Justin White says:

    You misread my comment. Please reread what I wote!
    1-Hertl thought the solution to anti-Semitism was for Jews to convert to X-ity, then he realized it wouldn't work. This is from the Israeli Bagarut which I recorded.
    2-Egypt turned on the Jews because they stopped keeping brit-mila.
    3-I am happy about your son…the majority of Israels are secular.
    4-The Arabs were not AS AGGRESSIVE as they are now before the Zionist movement. The assimilation of Jews in Europe paralleled the rise in anti-Jewish feelings and caused secular Zionists to want to relocate Jews. Again, from the Bagarut which I can provide in mp3 form.

  22. Sam Green says:

    i agree its like thyre the pope lol

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