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Will Observant Judaism of the Future Look Like Satmar?

They live in a world apart from the rest of observant Jewry.
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A friend of mine (by way of the internet – I never met him personally) once told me never to predict the future based on linear projections. That was a very wise observation.

One of the things that many people seem to believe is that the exponential rate of growth of the Charedi community is so vastly greater than the growth of any other segment – that ultimately the future will be theirs. Meaning that the rest of Orthodoxy will either be absorbed by them, or will become so small in comparison that it will become either irrelevant, or extinct altogether.

I am one of those people. The Charedim have won. By their growth and sheer determination they are the wave of the future. But I have a modified version of that prediction. Moderate Charedim will populate the the new mainstream majority. It will also contain those I have called RWMO (right wing Modern Orthodox). And evolve into a sociological demographic I call the New Centrists. Rabbi Berel Wein was first made note of this phenomenon. And it is already in progress.

In brief  what is happening is that both communities have adopted modalities of the other. So that even if our Hashkafos are somewhat different, our lifestyles are not. Moderate Charedim and RWMO are both generally are well educated in Limudei Kodesh and Limudei Chol. Both generally have solid careers where many are professionals.

We are both Koveiah Itim (establish fixed times for Torah study); Daven in the same Shuls; send our children to similar – and occasionally the same schools; are very often good friends, trust each other’s Kashrus; and our families  interact socially each other. It is not that uncommon to find a Chavrusa  beween a moderate Charedi and a RWMO learning together at night in a community Kollel. Our differing Hashkafos are not a divisive issue socially. The extremes on both the right and left may continue to exist, but in my view will at best be marginalized.

Nothing new here.  I have mentioned all this before. Many times. But what I have not mentioned in this context is another demographic that is perhaps the fastest growing demographic of all. One that has absolutely nothing to do with the above phenomenon.  The exponential growth of Satmar and like minded Chasidim. Does that mean that I believe that Satmar is the wave of the future… that eventually they will overtake the rest of Orthodoxy by their sheer population size?  Based on linear projections, one might say that will indeed happen. But I don’t think so, despite their continuing and phenomenally rapid growth.

Currently Satmar Chasidim live in their own world and prefer to keep it that way. The same is true of other Chasidic sects like Skvere.  They will not ‘assimilate’ into any new grouping.  Their values are not the same as the New Centrists at all. They live in a world apart from the rest of observant Jewry.

They are not well educated in Limudei Chol. And although they do work, they generally do not work as professionals. They do not attend colleges and universities. They work at jobs that often do not pay a living wage. Certainly not for a family of 12 or 13 is which is a very common family size. So a great many of them live in poverty…. isolated from the rest of the world.

While it is true that there are some very wealthy Satmar type Chasidim in trades like the diamond industry, construction, and other businesses (like the wildly successful B&H) – they are the exception and not the rule.  Most Satmar Chasidim barely eke out a living and more often than not have to be aided by free loan societies.

There is an article in the Forward by a Frimet Goldberger. She was raised in the world of Satmar. Ms. Goldberger describes  Satmar Chasidim as not only living isolated lives, but as living very religiously demanding lives. More than any other religious demographic. Lives that are stricter now than at any time in the history of Satmar. They have taken upon themselves Chumros that that did not even exist during the life of their founding Rebbe, Rav Yoel Teitelbaum. And he was pretty Machmir  requiring the rejection of the outside world in its totality.

His purpose was to insulate his Chasidim form the slightest taint of non Jewish culture.  His method was to not only live in a tightly knit neighborhood  - but to be as different from the rest of the world as possible. That would make it virtually impossible to see any commonlaity and thereby assimilate.  That – combined with their extreme Tznius measures makes them culturally incompatible with -  not only the secular world, but even   the moderate Charedi world. Not to mention the Modern Orthodox world.

Here is how Ms. Goldbeger describes it:

(The Satmar Rebbe) had railed against married women growing their hair underneath the turbans and wigs. After his death, most Hasidic women finally adhered to this rule – many out of fear of the severe ramifications of defiance. It is now the acceptable practice in Satmar to expel children from school if their mothers do not shave their heads. The Satmar Rebbe also decried the thin stockings and uncovered sheitels worn in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s. Now, most Satmar women wear thick, seamed stockings.

The latest Chumra is the blurring out faces of little girls in their photos. Which did not exist when the Satmar Rebbe was alive. She calls such radicalization alarming and not to be ignored.

In my view, all of these factors are the reason that we should not project a victory for the Satmar way of life. This lifestyle is not the wave of the future. Despite their rapid exponential growth. Insuring the isolation that has kept this demographic together and intact, is no longer possible. The internet has just about assured that. Especially now that one can access it in the palm of one hand.  Bans of technological advances like I-phones no matter how harsh the consequences simply are probably honored more in the breach than in adherence.

I am not saying that young people will drop out in significant numbers. Although going OTD  is a growing problem for them like it is for every other religious demographic. But I do think that they will gradually see what the rest of the even Frum world has to offer and many will seek it out. The poverty and strictures particular to this community will accelerate that process. They will see that it is possible to be religious and not be as isolated as they have been in the past. Modernity will catch up to them. Their increasing poverty that their current lifestyle practically guarantees them will motivate many of them to try another way.

They will see a growing new Centrism and realize that there other legitimate ways to practice Judaism. I am not saying that they will all eventually become new Centrists. Although not likley – it is not out of the realm of possibility once they start seeking to better their lives materially. More likely is a scenario to create their own version of a centrist society – rebelling against that part of their culture that keeps them poor – by seeking a better education and pulling back a bit on their radically different appearances… like the insistence that all their married women must save their heads.

I can’t predict the future. But what I think I can predict is that this demographic is not the wave of the future as they are currently constructed.

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About the Author: Harry Maryles runs the blog "Emes Ve-Emunah" which focuses on current events and issues that effect the Jewish world in general and Orthodoxy in particular. It discuses Hashkafa and news events of the day - from a Centrist perspctive and a philosphy of Torah U'Mada. He can be reached at hmaryles@yahoo.com.


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10 Responses to “Will Observant Judaism of the Future Look Like Satmar?”

  1. Anthony Kent says:

    What is RWMO? Please explain your acronyms to your non-American readers.

  2. Anonymous says:

    BRESLOV EFFECT ON SATMAR.

    I commend you on describing a situation without putting down or insulting any one in the process.That is the way to exchange ideas in a respectful way! By the way don't forget to figure in the effect of the Breslov movement with its amazing growth. In Uman you see all types of Jews- religious non religious, sephardic, Yeshivishe and Chasidim Satmar- ALL at the same place and getting along! THAT's A MIRACLE. Breslove may turn out to be a big unifier as it is not based on chumrot or a particular clothing style. It focuses on our relationship with G-d and following the mitzvoth without too many chumrot so we can serve Hashem with happiness. This will have and is already having an effect on the other chasidic groups and is helping bring them all together some what. This is good news.

  3. Mark Rubin says:

    sound like sour grapes to me.

  4. Yori Yanover says:

    Anthony Kent · Right Wing Modern Orthodox. Don't you just hate inside baseball?

  5. Yechiel Baum says:

    you mean look and act mindless and pawn off people due to their reluctance to support a family.

  6. Eva Feld says:

    Respectfully reporting the situation without insulting anyone in the process is a huge key to open discussion. That said, reading this article only shows how divided and decisive we are within ourselves. This friction happened not only once but continuously and undermines the very essence of what Judaism is all about: What does the Lord your God ask of you: Spread mercy do justice and walk humbly with your God. (Micah Chapter 8).

  7. Chaiya Eitan says:

    I look at them the way Americans look at the Amish – as being weird. I feel sorry for them, especially the children – little girls wearing thick stockings in the middle of summer! What is sexual about a 3-yr-old girl's legs?

  8. Its always funny how "outsiders" of a sect or group think that they understand the inner workings of the group and can therefore make predictions for the future. You speak about women having short hair or other "chumros" in a derisive and negative fashion. It is my experience living in Monsey with a chassidic population that the chassidic populace on a whole is much happier and at peace with their lives than most centrists. I have the advantage of being someone who has lived and worked with both types and your sociological theories are not based on fact but rather based on what you see. I would think it would be better for all of us to encourage, both centrist and chassidic people to continue to grow in their avodas HaShem in their own way besimcha.

  9. I think unfortunately, that the Lubavitchers will win over the Satmars. I had yahrzeit for my mother on Rosh Chodesh Elul. I normally avoid Hasidim, but the local CHABAD house had the only minyan I could make do to my work schedule. I am always amazed at the religious anarchy tolerated by the Lubavitchers. One fellow actually lain tefillin at 7:45. I was always taught that Shacharis should end before 1:00 pm. In my former shul, the Rabbis would correct someone if they made such a mistake. The Lubavitcher told me, "I don't judge." With an attitude such as that, and may the Vilna Gaon forgive me, I feel that Lubavitch Yiddishkeit will be the future. I am a fervent Misnaggid, but if I had to choose to belong to a Hasidic sect, I prefer the Bobovers.

  10. Lev Fuad Chesvan says:

    they are insane!

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