web analytics
August 1, 2015 / 16 Av, 5775
At a Glance
Judaism
Sponsored Post


Q & A: Chazzan And Congregation (Part X)


QuestionsandAnswers-logo

However, I am not so sure that our accepted practice is as the Mishnah Berurah suggests. How then can we justify the accepted practice (to say even “I have dreamt a dream…”)? Perhaps the answer is: “lo plug – that the sages made no differentiation” between the first and second day of yom tov in order not to cause any zilzul (diminution) of the second day’s sanctity (see Betzah 4b).

This is the same logic underlying the recital of “Slach lanu avinu ki chatanu – Forgive us, our father, because we have sinned” on Motza’ei Yom Kippur. Can we possibly have sinned in the short period between the awesome and reverent Ne’ilah prayer and the Shemoneh Esreh of Ma’ariv? We barely had any time to breathe, let alone sin. And yet, we say “Slach lanu avinu ki chatanu” because that is the text of Shemoneh Esreh for Ma’ariv that our sages established for us and we do not deviate from it.

My friend Rabbi Yosef Yitzchok Serebryanski of Canarsie, Brooklyn, made a further observation. Prior to Barechu at Ma’ariv we say, “Ve’hu rachum yechaper avon velo yashchit… – May He who is all merciful forgive all iniquity and not destroy…” Again, since we have just concluded Ne’ilah, why are we talking about our sins causing destruction? He explains that since Mashiach did not arrive even after reciting Ne’ilah, we must possess iniquities that portend our destruction. Thus, we commence Ma’ariv with, “Ve’hu rachum.”

However, this explanation leaves us with a difficulty. The Mishnah Berurah obviously knew of the Gemara in Betzah that talks of not diminishing the respect of the second day of yom tov and yet he writes that we should not say the full text of “Ribono shel olam.”

The answer would seem to be the following. There is a fundamental difference between Shemoneh Esreh and the tefillah of “Ribono shel olam.” The former is a communal prayer and its text reads accordingly (for example, “Elokeinu v’Elokei avoteinu – Our G-d and the G-d of our fathers”). The latter prayer, however, is personal and reads accordingly as well (for example, “Chalom chalamti – I dreamt a dream”). That is why perhaps the Mishnah Berurah writes that one should not say “I dreamt a dream” in the “Ribono shel olam” prayer if it is plainly untrue. Rather, one should start from the more generic, general section of the prayer that starts with “Yehi ratzon.”

(To be continued)

Rabbi Yaakov Klass, rav of Congregation K’hal Bnei Matisyahu in Flatbush, Brooklyn, is Torah Editor of The Jewish Press. He can be contacted at yklass@jewishpress.com.

About the Author: Rabbi Yaakov Klass, rav of Congregation K’hal Bnei Matisyahu in Flatbush, Brooklyn, is Torah Editor of The Jewish Press. He can be contacted at yklass@jewishpress.com.


If you don't see your comment after publishing it, refresh the page.

Our comments section is intended for meaningful responses and debates in a civilized manner. We ask that you respect the fact that we are a religious Jewish website and avoid inappropriate language at all cost.

If you promote any foreign religions, gods or messiahs, lies about Israel, anti-Semitism, or advocate violence (except against terrorists), your permission to comment may be revoked.

No Responses to “Q & A: Chazzan And Congregation (Part X)”

Comments are closed.

Current Top Story
Public Security Minister  Gilad Erdan, seen during a visit to the Western Wall and to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem's Old City as tensions rise in Judea and Samaria.
Arabs Attack Israeli Forces Over Deaths of Innocent Baby, Teen Terrorist
Latest Judaism Stories
Torat-Hakehillah-logo-NEW

By internalizing the Exodus, it is as if we ourselves were redeemed from Egypt.

Neihaus-073115

Each Shabbos we add the tefilla of “Ritzei” to Birchas HaMazon. In it we ask Hashem that on this day of Shabbos He should be pleased with us and save us. What exactly do we want to be saved from? Before we answer this question, let’s talk about this Friday, the 15th of Av. Many […]

Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks

Amongst the greatest disagreements in Judaism is the understanding of the 1st of the 10 Commandments

Daf-Yomi-logo

The Day He Heard
‘One May Seek Revocation Of A Confimation’
(Nedarim 69a)

The director picked up the phone to Rabbi Dayan. “One of our counselors lost his check,” he said. “Do we have to issue a new one or is it his loss?”

Six events occurred on Tu B’Av, the 15th of Av, making it a festive day in the Jewish calendar.

Why would Moshe Rabbeinu have thought that the vow that disallowed him to enter Eretz Yisrael was annulled simply because he was allowed to conquer and enter the land of Sichon and Og?

Question: When a stranger approaches a congregant in shul asking for tzedakah, should the congregant verify that the person’s need is genuine? Furthermore, what constitutes tzedakah? Is a donation to a synagogue, yeshiva, or hospital considered tzedakah?

Zvi Kirschner
(Via E-Mail)

Snow in Jerusalem! For many New Englanders like me, snow pulls at our nostalgic heartstrings like nothing else can.

Man has conflicting wishes and desires. Man has forces pulling him in competing directions.

Perhaps the admonition here is that we should not trivialize the events of the past by saying that they are irrelevant to the modern Jew.

One must view the settlement of Israel in a positive light. Thinking otherwise is a grievous sin.

Reaching a stronger understanding of what Moses actually did to prevent him from entering the land

Anti-Zionism, today’s anti-Semitism, has gone viral, tragically supported globally & by many Jews

More Articles from Rabbi Yaakov Klass
Q-A-Klass-logo

Question: When a stranger approaches a congregant in shul asking for tzedakah, should the congregant verify that the person’s need is genuine? Furthermore, what constitutes tzedakah? Is a donation to a synagogue, yeshiva, or hospital considered tzedakah?

Zvi Kirschner
(Via E-Mail)

Question: When a stranger approaches a congregant in shul asking for tzedakah, should the congregant verify that the person’s need is genuine? Furthermore, what constitutes tzedakah? Is a donation to a synagogue, yeshiva, or hospital considered tzedakah?

Zvi Kirschner
(Via E-Mail)

Question: Should we wash our hands in the bathroom with soap and water, or by pouring water from a vessel with handles three times, alternating hands? I have heard it said that a vessel is used only in the morning upon awakening. What are the rules pertaining to young children? What is the protocol if no vessel is available? Additionally, may we dry our hands via an electric dryer?

Harry Koenigsberg
(Via E-Mail)

Vol. LXVI No. 29 5775 New York City CANDLE LIGHTING TIME July 17, 2015 – 1 Av 5775 8:06 p.m. NYC E.D.T.   Sabbath Ends: 9:12 p.m. NYC E.D.T. Sabbath Ends: Rabbenu Tam 9:36 p.m. NYC E.D.T. Weekly Reading: Mattos-Mass’ei Weekly Haftara: Shim’u Devar Hashem (Jeremiah 2:4-28, 3:4, 4:1-2) Daf Yomi: Nedarim 54 Mishna Yomit: […]

Question: Should we wash our hands in the bathroom with soap and water, or by pouring water from a vessel with handles three times, alternating hands? I have heard it said that a vessel is used only in the morning upon awakening. What are the rules pertaining to young children? What is the protocol if no vessel is available? Additionally, may we dry our hands via an electric dryer?

Harry Koenigsberg
(Via E-Mail)

Printed from: http://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/ask-the-rabbi/q-a-chazzan-and-congregation-part-x/2012/08/03/

Scan this QR code to visit this page online: