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Why Was Andrew Pochter in Egypt, Not Israel?

Did his family support this delusion?
Andrew Pochter

Andrew Pochter

Condolences to the family of  Andrew Pochter, who was the American killed in Egyptian riots.

I find his story very disturbing.

Pochter’s family said he had travelled to Alexandria for the summer to teach English to 7- and 8-year-old Egyptian children and to improve his Arabic.
“He had studied in the region, loved the culture, and planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding,” read the statement, that asked for privacy in a time of grieving.

Pochter was looking forward to beginning his junior year at Ohio’s Kenyon College and had planned to study abroad in Jordan next spring, according to the statement.

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What was he doing in Egypt?  Why did he feel more connected to Arab countries than to Israel?  Did he really think that he, a Jewish American, could do something for “the pursuit of peace and understanding?”

Did his family support this delusion?

Did his family and friends and teachers warn him that he was going to a dangerous place?

Frequently when someone in the states says they’re going to Israel, people act horrified:

“It’s so dangerous!”

Now, I would like to know if Pochter received such reactions to his plans.  Of course there’s no guarantee that Pochter would be alive if he had gone to Israel.  But for sure, if he had been killed here, the article about his death would include something of how his family didn’t want him to come because of the supposed “dangers.”

Think about it.  Where can one find more danger, in Israel or the Arab countries?  If someone is injured or hurt, where is there better medical care?  And are you disturbed by the fact that an American Jewish student is more attracted to Arab society than to Jewish Israeli society?

Am I the only one bothered by this incident and this situation in general?

About the Author: Batya Medad blogs at Shiloh Musings.


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74 Responses to “Why Was Andrew Pochter in Egypt, Not Israel?”

  1. I am a Jew who has Arabic Jewish ancestry…..yes he had every right to go to Egypt. That being said, it was effing stupid of him to think that they wouldn’t care that he was Jewish. They would and did. I get very pissed off when people don’t read up. After the so-called Arab Spring….one day later after T Square was taken, a local Shul and a Church were desecrated and firebombed. Do people not think? As a Jew, I read up. Don’t be naive. READ UP.

  2. Why blame the victim? If safety were his objective, he wouldn’t have left campus. Instead, he saw a challenge. It’s not for the writer to determine where this young man belonged.

  3. If a person plays in traffic and gets hurt, whose fault is it? the driver that should have seen him and stop in time or the person who shouldn’t have been playing there? He saw a challenge but he went where it was stupid for a Jew to go. He should have been able to be safe, but he did go to a very dangerous place and took his life in his hands. May Hashem comfort his family.

  4. what you all write is true…but it is a good question….I’ve spoken to some Jewish college left wingers who are just plain idiots.

  5. Too much of this article is riddled with falsehoods. Andrew Pochter was and still is one of my closest friends. Although one of this parents is jewish, he was raised christian and did not identify as a jewish american. Regardless of his upbringing, I know that Andrew would never have wanted his death to become a matter of Jewish v. Islamic values. He meant to address the larger global issue of how we human beings interact and treat each other and was especially passionate with how such paradigms transpire within the middle east. He believed that through an open forum of dialogue, we could progress ourselves and our neighbors. To answer your question, "did he really think he could do something for the pursuit of peace and understanding?" He absolutely did. So do I. And it was I, along with his friends and family that encouraged him to take the opportunity and go to Egypt. I do not regret such encouragement because I know it was what he believed to be right. If you think his pursuits as "delusions" than I am afraid you have no business writing about Andrew Pochter.

  6. Sean Hutton says:

    **** you batya.

  7. David Blatt says:

    Why can’t you just offer condolences to a Jewish family on their loss? What do you gain by being so hateful? Only chilul Hashem!

  8. Joe Krakoff says:

    this article is a ****ing travesty.

  9. Joe Krakoff says:

    thoughts with you while you're dealing with this.

  10. Alan Magendzo says:

    As a Jewish American, I am embarrassed by this article.

  11. Muslims hate Christians as much as Jews.

    To shorten your paragraph – he was an idiot that didn't know anything about the Middle East

  12. Al Exander says:

    I'm just lost as to why he was killed? I respect his pursuits and what he did, I agree with you about the absurdity of this article. Just trying to find more clarity about what occured at the protest that led to his stabbing. I'm sorry for your loss. There are many of us who believe in what the likes of Mr. Pochter and Libyan Ambassador Stevens were doing, and are following in their steps.

  13. This article, on top of being quite poorly written, suffers from the exact stubbornness and inability to step out of boxed-in ideologies that Andrew sought to combat. Let us all follow his courageous example of nuance, optimism and generosity.

  14. Maria Shine Stewart says:

    I find this blog post, with the exception of the one sentence at the beginning offering condolences to the family of Andrew Pochter, to be in extremely poor taste. The writer is blaming the family and speculating about the victim, casting aspersions. If the writer feels anger at wanton violence, there are ways to vent that without blaming the victim. Judaism does not condone speaking ill of the deceased. I can only imagine the pain a post such as this would cause a family member of the deceased if she or he were to read it. Please consider this before posting in this vein in the future when there is a tragic loss.

  15. Lila Hanft says:

    Ew.

  16. Lisa Kamins says:

    when I first read the original article I thought and still think the same way. I do not understand what I Jewish American, who was involved seriously in Hillel in university, would go to an Arab country. he himself should have known the dangers and risks. any way. I found the whole thing with this young man rather disturbing.

  17. Lisa Kamins says:

    when I first read the original article I thought and still think the same way. I do not understand what I Jewish American, who was involved seriously in Hillel in university, would go to an Arab country. he himself should have known the dangers and risks. any way. I found the whole thing with this young man rather disturbing.

  18. Lisa Kamins says:

    thank you for clarifying things. it is unfortunate that so many people are fooled by the media and refuse to see clearly and plainly what is going on in the Arab and Islamic world. this is a world filled with hate and violence, and one naive young American is not going to change it, and like what happened to your friend, is sadly more likely to get himself killed as many other innocents of their own country do. look at what they do to each other, here they are protesting a unethical administration, and they murder and rape each other. there does not appear to be any justice in the Arab or Muslim world. if you can find it, it is most likely, realistically, to be stamped out, sadly, my Islamic extremists.

  19. Gail Stuehr says:

    Because that is where he wanted to be.

  20. Jacob Alperin-Sheriff says:

    Disgusting blaming the victim but no less than I'd expect from someone with a Shiloh morality.

  21. Jacob Alperin-Sheriff says:

    And "this situation in general" is something you've helped create, so why be bothered? Be happy!

  22. Eliot Fleming says:

    ^loren griffith, alan silverstein, lisa kamins- it's people like you that hold the human race back from positive progress.. Andrew Pochter didn't live in fear nor roll over and quit knowing the seemingly insurmountable odds we face trying to bring peace to this part of the world. he had the courage to enter into the fray to inspire change for the betterment of all of us. we should all be so lucky to die doing what we believe in and know is right. to you three i say that you are cowards. I truly believe that good triumphs over evil and love outshines hate. I intend to live my life as andrew did, never give up and never, ever, surrender..

  23. Oren Weingrod says:

    As both a Jew and the children of Israelis I am disgusted by this piece of commentary. The writer should be ashamed that he had the nerve and lack of conviction to not only insert himself in a conversation where he does not belong, but also to cast aspersions on a recently deceased man. This is not the Jewish way, this is not the Israeli way, this is not the human way of acting. Shame on you for treating the desires and goals of an interested and talented man "delusions," shame on you for deriding his vision, and shame on you for attempting to tarnish his memory by placing the blame not on the inhuman monster that killed him, but on the 21-year-old student who wanted to help people.

  24. Seriously though. Oren I hope they hear you!

  25. Remy Bernstein says:

    the brevity of this article betrays the vast ocean of ignorance residing within its margins.

  26. Remy Bernstein says:

    the brevity of this article masks the vast ocean of ignorance residing within its margins.

  27. Lily Zwaan says:

    this is ridiculous

  28. Simon Golovcsenko says:

    How dare you Batya: you are drawing ethno/cultural lines where they do not universally exist. For you they may be quite present, but for Andrew they weren't: where all you seem to see is hate, separation, and difference, he saw the ubiquitous human experience and a desire for peace, love, and understanding. I invite you to reevaluate your context and position on these issues: "Are you disturbed by the fact that an American Jewish student is more attracted to Arab society than to Jewish Israeli society?" Maybe he saw something beautiful happening there; maybe he saw some hope; maybe he saw "Arab society" (as you call it) as far less stagnant than the traditionally myopic unwavering zionist perspective.

    Sincerely,
    A Jew who thrives on human connection and a friend of Andrew's.

  29. Les Le Gear says:

    Attracted to arab society? WTF. Where have you been over the four decades or so. WTF is attractive about arab society? You're as delusional as this unfortunate boy was. Get real.

  30. Gabe Gabeler says:

    "Am I the only one bothered by this incident and this situation in general?"

  31. Wherever he's been "over the last four decades or so", Simon obviously wasn't over at your house poppin' viagra and watchin Fox and Friends with your shriveled ass

  32. Sean Shma Ma says:

    ^ hate like this will be the reason why peace is not attainable. You people, along with the anti-semitic people of the Middle East, will ever prevent anything good from happening over there.

  33. Andy Bazany says:

    this is disgusting

  34. Anonymous says:

    If Pochter went there to promote humane values among the Arab youth, he performed a righteous act, for who could need those values more than Arab children who are brought up in hate for all those who differ from them. It is primarily for that reason that Arabs have murdered millions in the last half century, in Algeria, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc.,– blacks, Kurds, Maronites, Copts, Persians, Sunnis, Shiites, Sufis, etc. If he went there because he was enamored of Arab society, with all that slaughter, he was misguided. And he was lucky in one respect. If he had been female, he would have been publicly gang raped before being murdered, by those humane and tolerant Arabs.

  35. Anonymous says:

    If Pochter went there to promote humane values among the Arab youth, he performed a righteous act, for who could need those values more than Arab children who are brought up in hate for all those who differ from them. It is primarily for that reason that Arabs have murdered millions in the last half century, in Algeria, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc.,– blacks, Kurds, Maronites, Copts, Persians, Sunnis, Shiites, Sufis, etc. If he went there because he was enamored of Arab society, with all that slaughter, he was misguided. And he was lucky in one respect. If he had been female, he would have been publicly gang raped before being murdered, by those humane and tolerant Arabs.

  36. Ad Amam says:

    and you would have masturbated to it too you sick ****

  37. Ad Amam says:

    yea hes full of "hate" not the the guy fuming about "arab society." its good that a man of reason and reflection such as yourself took the time to elucidate such worldly wisdom for everyone. thank you

  38. Alana Ronald says:

    I am so sorry, Loren, for the loss of your good friend. May G-d spare you further sorrow.

  39. Shira Dicker says:

    I saw this shockingly racist, stupid and mean-spirited blog post yesterday and decided to ignore it, but today I cannot. Though I do not have a personal connection to Andrew Pochter, z"l, as a Jewish mother I am appalled by what Batya Medad has written. To quote one of the other commenters — "ew." Her little condolence statement at the top is utterly false. Essentially, she is saying that he deserved his fate.

  40. Shira Dicker says:

    I saw this shockingly racist, stupid and mean-spirited blog post yesterday and decided to ignore it, but today I cannot. Though I do not have a personal connection to Andrew Pochter, z"l, as a Jewish mother I am appalled by what Batya Medad has written. To quote one of the other commenters — "ew." Her little condolence statement at the top is utterly false. Essentially, she is saying that he deserved his fate.

  41. Shira Dicker says:

    I saw this shockingly racist, stupid and mean-spirited blog post yesterday and decided to ignore it, but today I cannot. Though I do not have a personal connection to Andrew Pochter, z"l, as a Jewish mother I am appalled by what Batya Medad has written. To quote one of the other commenters — "ew." Her little condolence statement at the top is utterly false. Essentially, she is saying that he deserved his fate.

  42. Beatrice Aranow says:

    Her piece is almost hard to believe. The racism. The inhumane supremacism. Does she not support the pursuit of understanding and reconciliation? Who doesn't support understanding?
    Just weird. (And the bit about superior medical care, weird and creepy.)

  43. Beatrice Aranow says:

    Read the comment thread and there are a few other obscenely racist comments. Ugh. I feel ashamed to be associated with this kind of othering. and open hatefullness.

  44. According to his friend, he had inter-married parents and was not raised a a Jew. Like many young people on the left, they have little connection to Judaism and are assimilating and will disappear as Jews.

  45. Emory O'Dell says:

    shut up.

    And, one more point: you can't read, he lead the Hillel at our college. It was the solitary source for jewish religion and culture, and subsequently without his strong leadership there would've been a seriously lack of united Jewish cultural presence at our school. So, you should be thanking him for educating central Ohio students about the treasures beheld within Judaic tradition.

  46. Tani Foger says:

    I also thought it best to ignore but it made it sick to my stomach. I kept trying to think of a good argument to explain to her how misguided she is. Then I realized that her world view is as narrow and limited as the murderers that killed Andrew z"l.

  47. I guess that this woman does not realize that parents have lost a child. Siblings have lost their brother and friends have lost a significant person in thieir lives. This woman should get the right priorities!

  48. Arman Moussavi says:

    Batya you are an idiot…

  49. Joe Levy says:

    You should be ashamed of yourself Batya. I'd explain why in more detail, but it seems others on the page already have, and I doubt someone this delusional is open to criticism. This kind of "us vs them" mentality you are promoting is poisonous and naive.

  50. Andy Neuman says:

    Batya blow it out your arsehole.

  51. Andy Neuman says:

    Batya blow it out your arsehole.

  52. Zach Narin says:

    how dare you batya turn andrew's death into a political ploy.

  53. Harvey Stein says:

    Disgusting, racist article, by a spoiled, arrogant writer. If this is representative to Judaism, then I'm embarrassed to be a Jew. Being Jewish used to represent compassion, understanding, seeking justice, transcendent wisdom. For this writer, it's simply US VERSUS THEM.

  54. Yigal Gafni says:

    maybe he was CIA…

  55. this–how you sound, Harvey–is how I feel when I read Tablet Magazine comments (which I take it are pretty mainstream). It's depressing.

  56. Harvey Stein says:

    To me, people like this really ENJOY being loud and offensive – it gives them a sense of power and meaning. Extremists around the world act similarly. And without face to face interaction, it's perfectly safe – they don't have to meet or see any of the people they are offending.

  57. Sean McEvoy says:

    Yeah this Batya character is a douche. Did he really think that he, a Jewish American, could do something for “the pursuit of peace and understanding?”

    Did his family support this delusion?

  58. Sean McEvoy says:

    Meant to put that in quotes

  59. Sean McEvoy says:

    but what a dickface

  60. The writer lives in Shiloh, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank. Nothing else should be expected.

  61. I don't really do this, but I read the article and, although I am not defending the article, I do not think that you read it the right way. I concede that the article was way too short and underdeveloped for the point that she was trying to make; however, I don't think she was taking a shot at him or making a political ploy. Rather, I think that she was commenting on the circumstances that lead him to Egypt (ie as a Jew why didn't he feel like he could pursue peace in Israel?) and pointing out the fact that people are upset about his loss, but no one seems to be angry at Egyptian rioters whereas if it took place in Israel it would be blown up in the news to a far greater extent

  62. Lee Ellis says:

    To: Lisa Kamins
    Perhaps you have never heard of Mohammed Assaf? He puts your hatred to shame.
    The world has heard of this brave young Muslim. They admire and respect him.
    Have they ever heard of you, Lisa?

  63. Seth Morrison says:

    The cruelty and total insensitivity of this article is beyond belief. The author, editor, publisher and anyone associated with this publication should be ashamed.

  64. Joannah Yu says:

    This person's ignorance and character shows through this commentary. Shameful! So disgusted by this crap you call "writing"

  65. Joannah Yu says:

    This person's ignorance and character shows through this commentary. Shameful! So disgusted by this crap you call "writing"

  66. what is this article? is orrible what the author write, anyone can be attract for any culture, and come to sharm and cairo and go in a medical clinic, there are really preparate, don't be arrogant!

  67. Joe Hendlin says:

    You're a loser

  68. Joe Hendlin says:

    You're a loser

  69. Joe Hendlin says:

    if " myopic unwavering zionist perspective" means not getting stabbed while learning abroad then I prefer that alternative

  70. Simon Golovcsenko says:

    Joe, I would really appreciate it if you would stop. As we do know each other, I find the way you're communicating extremely disrespectful not only toward me, but more importantly, toward Andrew. I can handle a combative response from a stranger, but you are really taking this too far. Please stop being so mean.

  71. Joe Hendlin says:

    Well beyond the politics when I have heard you say "Israel is an APARTHEID state" I find it disrespectful when you bring an innocent kid into an problem I have with your self hating rhetoric. I didnt know andrew, but I know you, and you cannot say bigoted statements against your own people and disregard facts while using the tragedy of your friend as a scapegoat to do so. I find your stance on politics childish and embarrassing for not only yourself but the whole jewish people. Here's a question.. Now I know you've never been to israel but do you think you would want to carry yourself as openly gay person in any other country than Israel in the middle east? We both know the answer to that question because Israel is one of the most transparent, equality promoting, peace and quality of life upholding, human rights protecting nations EVER to exist. If you disagree with I just said Then you have a lot to learn

  72. Joe Hendlin says:

    And I know you stole from me when I offered to share with you while I was in Boston which again makes me even more upset that your saying such things about "respect"

  73. Joe Hendlin says:

    Its funny how you deleted my comment about you stealing my bottle of whiskey, I'm sure Andrew had better values than that, IF YOU REALLY ARE HIS FREIND YOU WILL HONOR HIS MEMORY BY ACTING LIKE A DECENT HUMAN BEING

  74. Joe Hendlin says:

    delete that one too coward

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