Chelsea Clinton gave birth to a baby girl on Friday night.

Chelsea, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, named the baby Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky.

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Chelsea tweeted a few hours after the birth:

Marc and I are full of love, awe and gratitude as we celebrate the birth of our daughter, Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky.

The baby’s famous and very excited grandparents are, of course, former President Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Congratulations on giving birth to a healthy baby.

 

When she announced he pregnancy, Clinton, who heads an interfaith society had previous said, “With all candor, because my husband is Jewish and I’m Christian, and we’re both practicing, it’s something that’s quite close to home.”

Chelsea used a very loose definition of “practicing”.

As Rabbi Stav, the head of the moderate, Israeli Orthodox organization, Tzohar, said in November 2013,

“The problem of assimilation among American Jews is not only an American problem, it’s our problem, too. There’s an ocean of ceremonies and an ocean of people eager to conduct ceremonies. Chelsea Clinton married a Jewish guy. I’m not arguing the legitimacy of it, you’re free to think what you want. But do you want me to recognize Chelsea Clinton’s child as a Jew? You want me to recognize the rabbi who officiated at her wedding as a rabbi? Are you trying to push intermarriage through my back door?”

Assimilation is rampant among non-Orthodox Jews in America and is even worse in Europe.

According to Jewish law, a person is only considered Jewish if their mother is Jewish, or they underwent a proper conversion. Simply calling yourself Jewish, when you’re not, does not make one Jewish.

Charlotte will of course be able to properly convert to Judaism when she gets older, if she wants to become a Jew.

Judaism does not discriminate against anyone who wants to sincerely take upon themselves the obligations and laws of the Torah, and join the Jewish nation.

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195 COMMENTS

  1. Going to Israel doesn’t, and won’t, make the child Jewish according to the Rabbinate there…only Reform and Liberal sects of Judaism will accept a child as Jewish in the US if raised with a Jewish education. It’s not that way elsewhere, and it’s not that way in Israel, either, although the child could get citizenship there with A Jewish parent, Israel will not legally identify that child as Jewish on her ID papers. Not unless that child formally converts. Matrilineal descent and/or conversion still applies…and as for marrying a Jewish Israeli there? Not possible, again, without conversion.

  2. It is interesting that there are those who question who is a jew or not. There are only about 14 million Jews worldwide and we are question who is Jewish? If Chelsea and Marc choose to raise their daughter with Jewish values and traditions, then who gave us the right to question the jewishness of Charlotte. I was born Jewish, however does that make me more Jewish than someone who has a father who isJewish but he or she does more mitzvahs than me? Being Jewish is more about the way we live our lives , than a label. Also who gave the right to the orthodox Jews to determine the Jewishness of any one. I lived in Israel, served in the army and fought in the Lebanon war, maybe that should give me the right to determine who is Jewish. I actually did something to contribute to the country. Baby Charlotte will be Jewish if her parents choose to raise her that way. Mazel tov to the whole family. Bill and Hillary may you only have lot’s of Nachas from your grand daughter. Maybe I will be invited to the bat mitzvah?

  3. What I find interesting is that biblically, identity was based off of patrilineal descent regardless of (2000 yrs of tradition). Key word, tradition. Which means it was changed. Guess someone acted as God and changed it. Apparently DNA means nothing. Sounds like politics to me….just sayin. Oh and yes I do fully understand the reasons behind matrilineal descent.

  4. Interesting – as Hebraic patrilineal heritage follows the Biblical pattern and we know that David’s grandmother was Ruth ( a Moabitess – Gentile) So the Jewish sperm trumps the Gentile egg. Remember – Law of Return in Israel only requires 1/4 Jewish heritage ( grandparents on either side). Okay Charlotte – we look forward to your Bas Miztvah!

  5. Thank You… people forget this fact… funny how everbody blows off the written words of the fathers name and birth line was always looked at first…and yes only 1/4 …if either grandparent was…. ! Makes me unhinged every day, to hear and read what has been a so called rule by a bunch of stuffed shirts…!

  6. and Rabbi Tzav as far as who is "push[ing] intermarriage through my back door" Rabbi Jacobs will tell you that "For the first time in Jewish history, people of many faiths are happy to befriend us, work with us, and, yes, marry us…, I still hear Jewish leaders talk about intermarriage as if it were a disease. It is not. It is a result of the open society that no one here wants to close. …Jewish North Americans (researchers say) are more admired overall than any other religious group. So of course you get high intermarriage rates – the norm, incidentally, in the third or fourth generation of other ethnic groups as well.

    In North America today, being "against" intermarriage is like being "against" gravity; you can say it all you want, but it's a fact of life. And what would you prefer? More anti-Semitism? That people did not feel as comfortable with us?

    In any event, we practice outreach because it is good for the Jewish people. Interfaith couples can raise phenomenally committed Jewish families, especially when they do it in the Jewish community that is offered uniquely by the Reform Movement." To that I say Amen.

  7. Yes, I caught your obnoxious Orthodox habit of dropping Rabbi Jacobs title and calling him by his first name. You think you get to decide what is "Jewish"? Only among yourselves and the government of a country you are able to politically control. The rest of us, a huge number of Jews, have stopped letting you demean us and the President of Israel, who once played the same stupid game about our rabbis, has agreed to stop: http://www.reformjudaism.org/blog/2014/07/31/president-rivlin-and-reform-drawing-closer-despite-differences Maybe you should too.

  8. The real jews, those who born from jewish moms, care. A jewish boy who marries a not jewish girl says he does not care for 5775 years of history and nor for all our boys and girls who died in wars to protect Israel and jews all around the world!

  9. Mara, I could not agree more. As someone who had a Jewish father and Catholic mother, I can speak first hand to the fact that many Jewish people do look down at us because we are not Jewish. It is offensive and racist. I am happy to hear you denounce that type of treatment. I am proud to be Christian and believe everyone should be free to choose and practice whatever religion they decide to without judgement.

  10. She might claim to be Christian, as her father did (when he was committing adultery in the White House and supporting abortion) … but if she is, she clearly sinned by marrying a non-Christian. Has she repented of that sin?

    Truthfully she is not a Christian or she would never be disobedient by marrying someone who is not saved. Unless she doesn't care that her husband will spend eternity in conscious torment in hell.

    She heads an "inter-faith society" nonsense – which proves she has no clue what the Gospel is – let alone would follow the teachings of Jesus.

    Is she living out the Great Commission? Not if she believes in anything inter-faith. She's as Christian as Oprah, the Westboro Baptists and the KKK.

    Chelsea, stop pretending to be something you are not. There are enough hypocrites in the world without you. Although your father seems to have taught you well.

  11. I'm comfortable calling their child a Jew. I know it's not very traditional but if someone really wants to know if the child has Jewish blood … run a DNA test. I noticed recently that such ethnicities as "Ashkenazi" can be traced back using the Genome testing that's been around a while now. I'm sure ancient Jews used the mother because she gives birth to the child and you are always SURE who the mother is … but not always who the father might be. I do realize Orthodox custom and law is the MOTHER must be Jewish.

  12. I actually lean towards Jewish practice although I do worshipo in a Reform synagogue. The only things that really bother me with Orthodox practice is the laws about using electricity and driving a car which I realize are based on prohibitions against "lighting a fire" on Shabbat.

  13. Attention hypocrites – that means all of you who state that Chelsea is Jewish because some non-observant clergy person declared her to be so.
    When you walk into a country, America, France, any country, and you want to become a citizen, there are rules to follow, (possibly) tests to take and oaths to administered. . Simply having some other person or yourself declare you to be a citizen has no meaning.
    Try explaining to the police who stop you from speeding that the rules are different for you because you don't believe in them.
    So, the same process applies here. There are rules to follow.
    Further, simply declaring that you don't believe the rules to apply any longer, doesn't invalidate the rules. Rather, it invalidates YOUR perspective on the rules.
    There is nowhere in the Torah (written or oral) that says the rules change or are suspended after a certain period of time.
    Neither Chelsea or her daughter are Jewish. Instead of spending your time trying to rewrite Jewish law to support your beliefs (and misleading others … a violation of Jewish law in and of itself), try following Jewish law as it's written.

  14. If being Jewish is no more than bagels & lox then why not agree with those who understand nothing about Judaism and therefore label this a race-based religion? Sorry folks, the history of Judaism has a huge spiritual component, namely, is the soul inside that body a Jewish one or not? But since Judaism was the religion that God gave to the descendants of Jacob, it comes with laws. The little Clinton baby is as Jewish as the gentile mother. Let’s hope that the baby won’t be as bad for Israel as her pervert rapist grandfather Bill.

  15. And this is why so many Jewish young men and women intermarry
    Too many rules
    Reform accepts all children of a Jewish parent mother or father
    Yes we are sure who the mother is and Jewish law is based on that
    In this day and age we also can prove who the father is.
    So Jewish or not. Raise your children in a peaceful world and religion if you choose

  16. The state of Israel accepts patrilinial lineage as well as Matrilinial. This means you can make Aliya if you have a Jewish father or grandfather so I guess Charlotte is Jewish in the eyes of the state of Israel……and for those of you dissing Reform Jews as not being Jewish, shows how ignorant you all are! At least reform Jews are not Hypocrites and many of them are way more observant than most secular Orthodox Jews! Specially here in Israel!

  17. And thereby you separate yourself from Judaism and your heritage.

    The Reform's article lies when it write, "According to the Halacha as interpreted by traditional Jews over many centuries," when in fact, it is the clear position of the Halacha over many Millennia.

    Nor is the problem of intermarriage a new one created by Emancipation and the Enlightenment. Judaism has addressed intermarriage as a social phenomenon in the past. Some 2300 years ago (more than a few centuries), Ezra the Scribe dealt with the question of non-Jewish wives and the resulting children – who were not Jewish then either.

    When all the Reform religion was promoting, was not requiring Shabbos, Kashrus or even Brit Mila, it was very bad, but not splitting Am Yisrael in two. It was an issue of Teshuva not conversion.

    When they split away by adopting patrilineal descent, something never accepted in Judaism, certainly since Ezra and almost definitely since Sinai, they chose the path of cutting themselves off, as much as the early Christians did.

    Even the Conservative movement still believes that Reform have gone too far.

    But Reform has repeatedly changed its stance on issues, depending on how the wind was blowing, or when they realized what they were offering had no connection anymore to Judaism.

    Reform may very well change its stance on patrilineal descent tomorrow.

    The only question is, can Reform be saved before the rift is irreparable and they go the way of the Christians and other splinter groups. Or is it too late, and we just need to wait another generation or two, when the only thing Jewish left in Reform is (maybe) the name.

  18. Who cares? If she's a jew a muslim, truth she will have tons of money and in other part of the globe kids as Charlotte dies of malaria, Ebola or even Malaria. Surely this baby with double identity will never have to go through any pain, any hunger or any abuse. Stop this idiot and cruel politics, think about the kids!!!

  19. Edward D Saslaw the baby would be of mixed blood, right, I dont know but usually children of mixed marriages do have a harder time to adjust. as my husband his mother was anglican and the father roman catholic and there was the difficulty of whether he should follow the orange or the green.

  20. Listen folks.Shana Tovah and Shavua Tov,we must not allow authority figures in our own community come on and black mail us ,it is only natural for fellow Jews to be critical about diownhome issues at times such as Rabbinic positions,Israeli Politics and policy ,etc

  21. "Israel accepts patrilineal"? That is not considered Jewish in Israel for any basis – certainly not for marriage. If Chelsea did not convert to Judaism then Israel will not recognize her daughter as Jewish. And I do not know what you mean by a "secular orthodox Jew". If a Jew is Orthodox it means that he is far more observant than reform Jews by definition.

    But that is not to say that Reform Jews are not Jewish. Again, if the mother is Jewish then the child is Jewish, regardless of the level of observance.

  22. Edward D Saslaw You are welcome to have your version of rules and to adhere to them as you wish. But that does not make it a Jewish law. There is only one set of laws for Judaism. Anything else is some sort of designer religion but not Judaism. There may be differing customs but this is not a matter of custom nor is it a subject of dispute. The law is clear on this.

  23. No, it made the child a righteous Gentile. DNA is all fine and dandy, but it does not, and never will, trump halacha. The Torah was written by G-d, who knew well in advance that DNA technology would eventually be available – yet He gave us these laws as a guideline.

  24. Edward D Saslaw I belong to a Reform congregation, and have held many a discussion with Rick Jacobs. I ask again, what about the practice is actually JEWISH, that would differentiate it from the practice of the Unitarian Church, the Humanist Church, just being a decent person, albeit an atheist?

    "Reform Judaism affirms the central tenets of Judaism – God, Torah and Israel "
    What exactly and specifically differentiates the Reform Jewish God from "God the Father" of Christians, or Allah?

    As for the Reform "affirmation" of Israel, it is the affirmation of the Israel that Reformers believe should be, rather than the Israel that is. Reformers, almost all of whom live in Diaspora, believe THEY know better what is good for Israel, than Israelis themselves, who live in and on the land, and put their lives on the line daily.

    "We believe that all human beings are created in the image of God,"
    So do Christians believe. What is distinctively JEWISH about that?

    "Tikkun olam — repairing the world — is a hallmark of Reform Judaism as we strive to bring peace, freedom, and justice to all people."
    Pretty well describes most liberals, Democrats, Republicans, and decent folk. What is distinctively JEWISH about that?

    "Reform Jews accept the Torah as the foundation of Jewish life"
    What exactly determines the distinct description of "Jewish life" in Reform lingo?

    I am asking, and I am listening, but you are not providing any responses. (Not to worry. Nor did Rick Jacobs.)

  25. Edward D Saslaw, Regardless of what sect you belong to, you apparently do not follow the Torah.

    The Torah DOES indeed say that the mother carries the Jewish lineage. There are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.

    In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says "he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

    Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being "among the community of Israel" (i.e., a Jew).

    In the Book of Ezra we learn that a large number of Jews left Babylon to go up to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem and the Holy Temple. Some time later, Ezra the Scribe came up as well. When he arrived, he began to teach Torah and the Torah's Laws to the people. He was told that a number of Jews had married non-Jewish women. When Ezra spoke to the people about this, they repented, and agreed to send away their wives and the children they had had with those wives.

    This is what the people told Ezra (Ezra 10:2-3):
    "We have transgressed against our G-d by marrying women who are foreign to the people. But there is still hope for Israel despite this. Let us now make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of Hashem and those eager to fulfill our G-d's Commandment, and let the Torah be obeyed."

    And indeed, the non-Jewish women and the children they had with them were all sent away. Now, if those children had been considered Jewish, why would they send them away? They sent them away because they were not considered Jewish, because their mothers were not Jewish.

    But regardless, when the child is Baptised as a Christian, as the mother and her mother was, we will all have our answer.

  26. HaShem gave the Torah. HaShem made the rules. If the conversion was not done by the rules of the Torah, then why would it be recognized?

    If I want to be a brain surgeon and I go to med school and study cosmetic surgery, why can't i do brain surgery?

  27. Edward D Saslaw, the only one who decides is G-D. He already wrote the rules- The Torah. In Hebrew it means "Instructions." regardless of what sect……and these things are in it.

  28. Edward D Saslaw, the only one who decides is G-D. He already wrote the rules- The Torah. In Hebrew it means "Instructions." Regardless of what sect……these things are in it. No mistranslating or skewing. It is very clear- and in too many places not to be understood. It really does go by the mother.

    It has NOTHING to do with sect. It has to do with what the Torah clearly states.

  29. Intermarriage is up at levels never seen before, and so is Anti-Semitism, so that argument doesn't fly. The fact is, that 3 generations later, the family is non-Jewish. That is fine if you do not care, but many of us still do.

  30. Dan Silagi
    The Torah DOES indeed say that the mother carries the Jewish lineage. There are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.

    In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says "he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

    Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being "among the community of Israel" (i.e., a Jew).

    In the Book of Ezra we learn that a large number of Jews left Babylon to go up to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem and the Holy Temple. Some time later, Ezra the Scribe came up as well. When he arrived, he began to teach Torah and the Torah's Laws to the people. He was told that a number of Jews had married non-Jewish women. When Ezra spoke to the people about this, they repented, and agreed to send away their wives and the children they had had with those wives.

    This is what the people told Ezra (Ezra 10:2-3):
    "We have transgressed against our G-d by marrying women who are foreign to the people. But there is still hope for Israel despite this. Let us now make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of Hashem and those eager to fulfill our G-d's Commandment, and let the Torah be obeyed."

    And indeed, the non-Jewish women and the children they had with them were all sent away. Now, if those children had been considered Jewish, why would they send them away? They sent them away because they were not considered Jewish, because their mothers were not Jewish.

  31. Edward – I should also say that it is valid to recognize what the correct laws are and at the same time recognize that you are not keeping all of them fully. Hopefully, some day you will. I consider myself to be a very religious person but I have not managed to keep all of the laws to the degree that I believe I should reach. I constantly try to improve that through my life. That, to me, is what life and religion is about. But to alter the religion or the laws because you choose not to follow them is not valid.

  32. I understand that people have different opinions. However, Jewish Law says that a person is Jewish if their mother is, or convert accordingly with Jewish Law. It's like citizenship, either your parents are American or you become an immigrant. People need to take responsibility for their actions. If a Jewish man wants to marry a Non-Jew, he needs to understand that his children aren't Jewish. He broke the Jewish family line. Of course, the kid could convert if they want, but they might not be interested.

  33. Today we know, that archaeology in Israel, and the middle east has not totally supported post diaspora rabbinical teachings of what was Jewish according to the original people of Israel.

  34. Robbie Goldstein We believe the Torah to be divinely inspired but that humans cannot actually know what the Lord "thinks" "believes" or "says." The Talmud represented the many arguments among our sages as to how to interpret the Torah, and those debates continue to this day. L'shana tova.

  35. One who has no knowledge of Torah, Halacha, and Judaism should not publicise their ignorance. You are ill equipped to even speculate on such issues. Furthermore, archeology is far from a refined science. Imagination, speculation, and bias
    is the name of the game, in a field where even the most biblically critical experts can't agree with one another.

  36. Edward D Saslaw " Talk to your rabbi." = "Talk to the Wall".

    " Tikkun olam is not a political creed," It is around here, and as you linked, ""Tikkun olam — repairing the world — is a hallmark of Reform Judaism" (and of all people of good will, of all faiths.)

    "perhaps you would be comfortable in another synagogue."
    As you know, Reform Judaism does not have "synagogues"; we have "Temples".

    But if you are strong and comfortable in your faith, WHY can you, will you, not respond to the very specific and cogent questions that I have raised? YOU are the one who initiated the discussion on JEWISH law. I am simply asking what makes a law "Jewish", or the branch of religion that you espouse "Jewish", other than "Because I said so".

  37. Donny Fuchs and PS , I learned in a Yeshiva till age 24 and lived in Israel , did archaeolgy there and was in the IDF. your calling me names and assumptions is wrong from the first word. It is a nasty thing about Hillary Clinton's baby and is so un-Jewish. We all should wish her the best and even to marry a Jewish person in these days was an act of bravery.

  38. Right, we are Jewish because of Sarah and Abraham does not matter or else the children of Ishmael and Keturah's children would be Jewish meaning most Arabs. But the bible says only through Isaac will the promise of the nation Israel be fulfilled. But then again the Jews of the Bible identify themselves as children of Abraham hmmmmm

  39. Edward D Saslaw I have a history of communicating with the CCAR, particularly about disagreements that I have with the leadership on policies regarding Israel. But I am more interested in what YOU (or, perhaps, your tush) have to say, since you started this thread with: "Jewish law, my tush."

    So far, the only thing that I can discern is that you are either unwilling, or unable to support your position in your own words.

  40. Bill Bilek You are what is referred to as an internet troll and I will not take your bait. This is a week for personal introspection and it will end with, I guess, both of us saying the Ashamnu and the Al Cheit. If, as I gather, you sit in shul (we call it that) in a rage that the service does not accord to your view of Judaism, I invite you to sample Central Synagogue's stream. Otherwise, I will continue to feel sorry for you but nonetheless wish you l'shana tova.

  41. Reform say's your accepted as Jewish if your Mother is not. Conservative and Orthodox say, no. Who is right ? Who cares what the Conservative think if your not Conservative and visa versa. I prefer the Orthodox version of the Old Testament… but that's just me. I am only one of about 15,000,000 Jews. Who is right ?

  42. You blame the Jews for Anti-Semitism?

    Are you also aware that Clinton was the force behind the Oslo Accords- which lead to the deaths of Jews, the weakening of Israel, and that Hillary Clinton was an architect behind "No Natural Growth," in which she informed Israeli women living in Judea and Samaria that they were not to have children, or have aged parents move in with their families?" -An edict regarded by the Israeli government as the modern day version of Pharoh's edict against the Jews….The only thing the Clintons bent over backwards to do was to harm Israel and the Jews.

    Jews do NOT wonder why there is anti-semitism. We understand why. What we do not understand is how other Jews are so self-loathing that they blame their own people for the evils of those who persecuted us.

  43. This is not correct.

    The Torah DOES indeed say that the mother carries the Jewish lineage. There are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.

    In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says "he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

    Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being "among the community of Israel" (i.e., a Jew).

    In the Book of Ezra we learn that a large number of Jews left Babylon to go up to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem and the Holy Temple. Some time later, Ezra the Scribe came up as well. When he arrived, he began to teach Torah and the Torah's Laws to the people. He was told that a number of Jews had married non-Jewish women. When Ezra spoke to the people about this, they repented, and agreed to send away their wives and the children they had had with those wives.

    This is what the people told Ezra (Ezra 10:2-3):
    "We have transgressed against our G-d by marrying women who are foreign to the people. But there is still hope for Israel despite this. Let us now make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of Hashem and those eager to fulfill our G-d's Commandment, and let the Torah be obeyed."

    And indeed, the non-Jewish women and the children they had with them were all sent away. Now, if those children had been considered Jewish, why would they send them away? They sent them away because they were not considered Jewish, because their mothers were not Jewish.

  44. Yocheved Rotenberg , These people are ignorant of Torah, and that is the crux of the problem. I would truly understand if their views came from Torah study and was just a divergent opinion- but these people, to make some of the statements I am reading here, have no idea what is even in the Torah. It is so obvious….and it is so sad. We have always had various sects, but they were always based on Torah. These folks seem to ridicule Torah and disregard it, altogether.

  45. Robbie Goldstein I am not asking anyone to change anything. One needs to acknowledge the conflicting ideas written there and that it requires interpretation by the Talmud , Rambam or the Torah can sound a little crazy like the Koran.
    Who kills their children because they disobeyed their parents. The Torah does but through interpretation we make accommodations.

  46. By the Torah, itself, it clearly goes by the mother. Why anyone would have a problem with that is beyond me. Perhaps they resent women. But, it is Torah.

    If you choose to believe differently, that is your own affair, but it is not in accordance with the Torah and Halacha, therefore, it is not Jewish.

  47. Growing up in an orthodox home with an orthodox education has lead me to understand that as orthodox Jews we like to keep ourselves segregated…. I am no longer orthodox, I no longer go to synagogue (the price of membership and high holiday tickets are outrageous)… This child as far as I am concerned is as Jewish as she is Christian, let her be healthy, happy and grow to be a compassionate, passionate member of society.

  48. @Levinson. It works like this: There is what is called"Jewish Law". The Orthodox live by it. The Conservative Jews pay it respect, but referee it really loosely. Reform discarded it long ago. The Law determines who is a rabbi and who is a Jew. The less one relates to the law, the greater the illegitimacy legally. Genetic or cultural Jews may invent whatever stories they like perhaps involving goblins too, but Judaism is a registered religion. Just as France registers its wines it is fraudulent to term people who have no relationship with Jewish law as practicing Jews. Just as fans with a team shirt does not make them players, so simply doning the title Jew or "rabbi" doesn't mean the really are.

  49. Tanakh and Torah say that a child is Jewish if the father is Jewish and the father gives to the new , child his patronymic name, not the mother’s name. When we are called to the Torah like in ancient time we call somebody’s name ben (father’s name), not mother’s name.

    Some of Jacob sons were also born from Sarah servants that were not Jewish, they were still part of the 12 tribes of Israel.

    It is time for Israel to follow the Torah given to Moshe Rabbenou and not follow man made laws or traditions.
    The Torah given by Elohim is above every laws or traditions.

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