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Convictions Upheld of Muslim Students Who Harrassed Oren at Irvine

Convictions of Muslim students who repeatedly interrupted a speech (see VIDEO, below) given by then-Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren at UC Irvine were upheld by an appellate court

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Michael Oren, Dec. 16, 2013.

Michael Oren, Dec. 16, 2013.
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On February 8, 2010, Muslim students interrupted a speech being given at the University of California at Irvine by Michael Oren who was then the Israeli ambassador to the United States. The students didn’t just shout out their message once. They repeatedly derailed the talk Oren was trying to give so that what was supposed to have been a one hour speech ended up being only twelve minutes long.

The students shouted ugly abuse at the Israeli ambassador, accusing him of being an accomplice to genocide and propagating murder.

The situation was so extreme that criminal charges were brought against eleven students, who became known as the “Irvine 11.”

Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas, who was in the courtroom when the verdict was read, said the students’ behavior amounted to censorship and “thuggery.”

“In a civilized society,” he said, “we cannot allow lawful assemblies to be shut down by a small group of people using the heckler’s veto.”

When the verdict was entered by the jury, on September 23, 2011, 10 of the students were sentenced to three years of probation, 56 hours of community service and fines. Each was convicted of one misdemeanor count of conspiring to disrupt Oren’s Feb. 8, 2010, speech and a second count for disrupting it. The charges against the 11th student were dropped, pending his completing a term of community service.

The response from the community was swift and harsh, according to the Los Angeles Times.

“Absolutely unbelievable,” Shakeel Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, said of the verdict. “I believe the heart of America has died today.

“This is clearly an indication that Muslims are permanent foreigners, at least in Orange County.”

The students and their supporters claimed the students free speech “rights” were violated. Apparently the irony was lost on them that the charges were brought against them for refusing to allow an invited guest to speak.

In a ruling dated last Wednesday but delivered Monday, March 3 to attorneys, a California appellate court panel ruled Ali Mohammad Sayeed, Mohamed Mohy-Eldeeen Abdelgany, Khalid Akari, Aslam Abbasi Akhtar, Joseph Tamim Haider, Taher Herzallah, Shaheen Nassar, Mohammad Anas Qureashi, Osama Shabaik and Asaad Traina were convicted Sept. 23, 2011, because the intent of the law they broke was clear. (Hakim Nasreddine Kebir accepted a plea deal from the court and had charges against him dismissed in exchange for performing 40 hours of community service.)

The judges said the defendants’ intent was proven by the exchange amongst them of email messages, as each student stood, in turn, to shout out and interfere with Oren’s speech.

An attorney for the students, Jacqueline Goodman, said she planned to appeal this ruling to the Fourth District Court of Appeals in Santa Ana, according to a local blog.

When the convictions were first announced following the trial, a Muslim advocate claimed the decision to bring charges against the students would immortalize them.

“When history books are written and this case comes to its final conclusion … the Irvine 11 will stand alongside other civil rights heroes,” said Ameena Qazi, deputy executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles.

Some content for this article was provided by JTA.

Lori Lowenthal Marcus

About the Author: Lori Lowenthal Marcus is a contributor to the JewishPress.com. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she previously practiced First Amendment law and taught in Philadelphia-area graduate and law schools. You can reach her by email: Lori@JewishPressOnline.com


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  1. Raine Balite says:

    Amazing these muzzie twats have the nerve to bring up genocide, which only Muslims are conducting worldwide, and historically. They cry when u hit them back.

  2. Thank God we are waking up? I hope this continues to open eyes! If they are exchange students they should be deported

  3. Seems the scales are not balanced in this particular area under our current administration….kkc

  4. send them all back

  5. TamaraMilnerMoser says:

    Ya, right. I’ll shout you down because ONLY I have the right to free speech. “When history books are written and this case comes to its final conclusion … the Irvine 11 will stand alongside other civil rights heroes,”

  6. GilGilman says:

    My, aren’t we filled with grandiose self-importance. When the history books are written? This won’t be even a ping on the sonar…and the bit about them being civil rights heroes was such precious bombast as to be ludicrous like the tantrum of a spoiled child…

  7. Tamara Milner Moser says:

    Ya, right. I'll shout you down because ONLY I have the right to free speech. "When history books are written and this case comes to its final conclusion … the Irvine 11 will stand alongside other civil rights heroes,”

  8. DanielPaulGold183 says:

    The Irvine 11? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

  9. LeoErwin says:

    WELL…..ONLY LOGICAL….PRECURSERS TO THE THIRD WORLD WAVE OF ISLAM ………..

  10. CodyFlecker says:

    These criminal will hrdly be in any history book of note. I wonder what yo as a Jew will say if the tables were turned and the hecklers were Jewish and the speaker was a Muslim. You would be crying crocodile tears all day and night.

  11. Gil Gilman says:

    My, aren't we filled with grandiose self-importance. When the history books are written? This won't be even a ping on the sonar…and the bit about them being civil rights heroes was such precious bombast as to be ludicrous like the tantrum of a spoiled child…

  12. JamesWolf says:

    THe Irvine 11 will be put next to the Bull Connors of the world.

  13. The Irvine 11? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

  14. Leo Erwin says:

    WELL…..ONLY LOGICAL….PRECURSERS TO THE THIRD WORLD WAVE OF ISLAM ………..

  15. JudithGrayson916 says:

    Just be sure it goes on the transcripts of these dumb miscreants.

  16. Cody Flecker says:

    These criminal will hrdly be in any history book of note. I wonder what yo as a Jew will say if the tables were turned and the hecklers were Jewish and the speaker was a Muslim. You would be crying crocodile tears all day and night.

  17. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Civil disobedience is a right given to us in the free world. They spoke out about injustice and committed no REAL crime. They are American and are entitled to their freedom of speech especially when they are drowning the noise and lies of Israeli propagandists.

  18. Exactly right.
    And more
    When the history books are written, all of these islamists will be recognized for what they are. Thugs at best and murderous terrorists at worst.

  19. GilGilman says:

    Andrzej Lozowski, except for the implied threat of course, that they will continue their march through D. C., New Jersey, Michigan, Iowa, Texas and points west, overthrow the western empires including the U.S. and write the “histories” themselves…

  20. THe Irvine 11 will be put next to the Bull Connors of the world.

  21. GilGilman says:

    what? they committed a FAKE crime? civil disobedience, when disruptive to the rights of others has been met historically with misdemeanor charges, even felony charges, in this country, when the rights of others are impinged upon. To label them as civil rights heroes demeans the true heroes of the civil rights movements in this country.

  22. AlexShapiro says:

    The principle of civil disobedience cannot be applied to people whose recent ancestors were allies of the Nazis during the WWII, whose so-called holy books call to murder of people who disagree with their religion (Quran, Surah 2:191, 9:123, 9:5, 3:85, 5:33, 22:19, 8:12, 47:4), including the open call to kill Jews (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, 4.52.177), who sent score of missiles to Israeli towns, killed many civilians, including children, while celebrating each such murder – and then blaming the Jews in all these atrocities.

  23. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Gil Gilman What? What? No it does not, they spoke out against the injustices the Israeli government towards the Palestinians. The conflict in Palestine/Israel that they are upset about has nothing to do with religion, but with the human rights abuses and denial of basic civil liberties in the occupied territories. So, they interrupted someones propagated speech. Good for them!!

  24. JohnHughes928 says:

    So their supporters are under the impression that the person who speaks or yells the loudest is the only who deserves the right to express themselves? This must explain why so many Muslims around the world use even louder means to express themselves as a way to drown out civilized discourse. The goal here is to silence opposing arguments through shouting and if that does not work, explosions become the preferred method of “expression”. That’s not freedom of expression; it’s freedome to be a total prick.

    Since Muslims are in favor of this concept that whoever’s the loudest should be the only voice heard, this concept should be applied to them. In cities where the call to prayer is broadcast over loudspeakers, somebody should use louder speakers to drown it out. When a cleric is giving a sermon in a mosque, people from the streets should be allowed to enter and shout overtop of him, as it’s all of our rights to disrupt and drown out opposing voices.

    Civil rights? Civility and the dominant form of Islam don’t mix. To them, if you’re not Muslim, the only civil rights you have is the right to be enslaved and the right to be beheaded. To them, it’s silly to let a future slave speak and it’s even sillier for a beheaded man to speak against them.

  25. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex Shapiro you are taking small snip its and using them to generalize. First of all not all Muslims follow these Hadiths-these are stories that some choose to believe and when they are extreme, they are a minority. And calls to murder? MURDER? no, but their were calls to fight towards your ability to practice your faith void of persecution. Christians have done the same, oh how ancient it was, but the Jewish Zionist faith does that and more in the name of so called “defense” of their racist Jewish only state. So what are you talking about here? is it ok? no, never, no matter who does it. So what i am talking about is Civil and Political rights, equality. Not your backwards perversions of peoples faith.

  26. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: the Palestinian behavior has a lot to do with the religion they follow. I’m sure that if they were Christians we could have piece in the Middle East a long time ago. Not only peace, but prosperity. Human rights abuses? 20 years ago the Palestinians could freely come to the Israeli proper, work there, do business, with practically no checkpoints. It all ended when your people started to blow up the Jews in masses. And don’t tell me about the ‘resistance’. It’s a murder, plain and simple!. Then Israel had to drastically increase the amount of checkpoints and to build the wall, to protect its citizens from the murders. So if you feel that you have your civil rights violated, you brought it upon yourself! You still should consider yourself to be lucky that you deal with the Jews, and not with Russians or Americans. They would have leveled the Gaza for all these rocket attacks.

  27. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex Shapiro are you on the Palestinian Christians are not Arabs band wagon too? And you must be joking me, there were in fact check points 20+ years ago, and they have increased because Israel continues to steal land illegally from the Palestinians. So the constant ariel bombardment of GAza is ok? and restricting movement and resources is also ok, and the unequal and extreme rate of death caused by IDF against innocent women and children is also nothing….compared to the Russians or Americans. Last, there was peace and co-existence in Palestine before the establishment of Israel. Political and religious Zionism brought forth violence, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. So no, not like the Russians or Americans, but like the Nazi Germans :/

  28. Just be sure it goes on the transcripts of these dumb miscreants.

  29. ButhaynaHammad says:

    same could be said about Jews if you wanna be a douche about it

  30. GilGilman says:

    Buthayna Hammad They should have created their own platform for their rant. As a result of their approach to their issue they were charged and convicted of misdemeanors. Actually, I have not even seen it mentioned anywhere that these were native born or naturalized citizens. The countries that they come from are no respecters of the civil rights of anyone, especially women. Let them rant against that!

  31. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Gil Gilman I am sure they do.

  32. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: Really? The Israelis have Palestinian members of Knesset (Parliament) who can openly deliver anti-Israeli speeches from its podium and nobody arrests them or disrupts them (heckling is another matter; it is common for many Parliaments in the world). But any Knesset member has a right to say what he or she wants. I wonder how long a Jew would have lasted if he or she dared to speak among the Muslims.

  33. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex Shapiro you are wrong to vilify all Muslims. Just as one is wrong to generalize all Jews. Extremists are bad, Zionists are very bad. They are hateful (all extremists are) you however just dont know any better and believe all you hear and think all people are the same.

  34. Buthayna Hammad says:

    Civil disobedience is a right given to us in the free world. They spoke out about injustice and committed no REAL crime. They are American and are entitled to their freedom of speech especially when they are drowning the noise and lies of Israeli propagandists.

  35. Gil Gilman says:

    Andrzej Lozowski, except for the implied threat of course, that they will continue their march through D. C., New Jersey, Michigan, Iowa, Texas and points west, overthrow the western empires including the U.S. and write the "histories" themselves…

  36. SheldonH.Bank says:

    DON’T TRUST THOSE LYING MUSALAMAS

  37. Gil Gilman says:

    what? they committed a FAKE crime? civil disobedience, when disruptive to the rights of others has been met historically with misdemeanor charges, even felony charges, in this country, when the rights of others are impinged upon. To label them as civil rights heroes demeans the true heroes of the civil rights movements in this country.

  38. Alex Shapiro says:

    The principle of civil disobedience cannot be applied to people whose recent ancestors were allies of the Nazis during the WWII, whose so-called holy books call to murder of people who disagree with their religion (Quran, Surah 2:191, 9:123, 9:5, 3:85, 5:33, 22:19, 8:12, 47:4), including the open call to kill Jews (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, 4.52.177), who sent score of missiles to Israeli towns, killed many civilians, including children, while celebrating each such murder – and then blaming the Jews in all these atrocities.

  39. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: I’m not vilifying all the Muslims, only those who observe the precepts I mentioned earlier. Indeed, there are many Muslims for whom Islam is just a nice tradition, who are not particularly religious and in fact wish to keep away from the murderous and hateful things mentioned in Quran and Hadith. Alas, these people are the minority. As for the Zionism – it is a national movement of the Jewish people to return to their homeland, Zion (which is Jerusalem). And, by the way, according to the Quran, the Jews are entitled to return to their ancient homeland (Sura 17:104). Now, if you as a Palestinian don’t think that the Jews deserve to have their homeland, you also don’t deserve your own country. As simple as that. And no slogans, screams, disrupts and false propaganda can change this simple fact.

  40. IrfanSheikh says:

    At least the students stood up to a terrorist that is involved in genocide and apartheid , I applaud those students for standing up for what is right. Obviously Israel controls US and buys our politicians at wholesale rates, so what do you expect? Freedom isn’t free and those students know that better than most.

  41. So their supporters are under the impression that the person who speaks or yells the loudest is the only who deserves the right to express themselves? This must explain why so many Muslims around the world use even louder means to express themselves as a way to drown out civilized discourse. The goal here is to silence opposing arguments through shouting and if that does not work, explosions become the preferred method of "expression". That's not freedom of expression; it's freedome to be a total prick.

    Since Muslims are in favor of this concept that whoever's the loudest should be the only voice heard, this concept should be applied to them. In cities where the call to prayer is broadcast over loudspeakers, somebody should use louder speakers to drown it out. When a cleric is giving a sermon in a mosque, people from the streets should be allowed to enter and shout overtop of him, as it's all of our rights to disrupt and drown out opposing voices.

    Civil rights? Civility and the dominant form of Islam don't mix. To them, if you're not Muslim, the only civil rights you have is the right to be enslaved and the right to be beheaded. To them, it's silly to let a future slave speak and it's even sillier for a beheaded man to speak against them.

  42. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: the Palestinian behavior has a lot to do with the religion they follow. I'm sure that if they were Christians we could have piece in the Middle East a long time ago. Not only peace, but prosperity. Human rights abuses? 20 years ago the Palestinians could freely come to the Israeli proper, work there, do business, with practically no checkpoints. It all ended when your people started to blow up the Jews in masses. And don't tell me about the 'resistance'. It's a murder, plain and simple!. Then Israel had to drastically increase the amount of checkpoints and to build the wall, to protect its citizens from the murders. So if you feel that you have your civil rights violated, you brought it upon yourself! You still should consider yourself to be lucky that you deal with the Jews, and not with Russians or Americans. They would have leveled the Gaza for all these rocket attacks.

  43. IrfanSheikh says:

    Gil, that’s funny that you’re talking about being citizens when Michael Oren is not. We have a right in OUR country to question foreigners like Oren when they are lying just like Nuttyyahoo does when he rants here in the U.S. Gil, this is NOT Israel, this a democracy not a pseudo democracy like Israel and people have the right to speak. BTW Israel is not a prime example of human rights or for women rights

  44. IrfanSheikh says:

    You should do both bc I did when I saw all these post and UR pic

  45. Gil Gilman says:

    Buthayna Hammad They should have created their own platform for their rant. As a result of their approach to their issue they were charged and convicted of misdemeanors. Actually, I have not even seen it mentioned anywhere that these were native born or naturalized citizens. The countries that they come from are no respecters of the civil rights of anyone, especially women. Let them rant against that!

  46. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex Shapiro these Jews who claim to be derived from that land are not, they are white europeans, the only ones who were there, the mehrazi jews are arabs, and not all of them were expelled, the ones who stayed adapted and adopted new religions, the are my ancestors. So why should it be a Jewish only state? and to your first point, you are wrong, many practicing Muslims are progressive and moderate, these extremists you boast about to validate your racist opinion are a minority, they just get this huge platform on the media as they are the scapegoats for Israels Offensive attacks on the innocent. You also understand you contradicted yourself. You claim the Quran says to murder Jews, yet you say it says they should return to their homeland…why? is it a bait and trap? it is isnt it…so all the Muslims can kill all the Jews. YOU.ARE.WRONG.

  47. Gil Gilman . LOL, they will be works of fiction, then, not history books…

  48. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: Really? The Israelis have Palestinian members of Knesset (Parliament) who can openly deliver anti-Israeli speeches from its podium and nobody arrests them or disrupts them (heckling is another matter; it is common for many Parliaments in the world). But any Knesset member has a right to say what he or she wants. I wonder how long a Jew would have lasted if he or she dared to speak among the Muslims.

  49. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: Yeah, it’s getting really funny. You offer me to check the facts whereas the facts are far from being your strongest point. You say that there was a “peace and co-existence in Palestine before the establishment of Israel.” You’re very conveniently ‘forgot’ the murder of Jewish men, including older men, women and children in Hebron in the 1920s and 1930s, the incessant attacks of Arab fedains on Jews back from the 19th century. The only difference is that after Israel was established it could fight back, which you, of course, don’t like.

    As for Gaza- Israel vacated it completely, leaving behind the sophisticated hothouses, where you could give jobs to about 20,000 people and grow vegetables for export, You destroyed them in 2 days, completely. Instead of building second Dubai, you chose the extremist Hamas to the power who started to rain missiles on Israeli towns, which led to Gaza blockade and eventual Israeli retaliatory strikes. There is a big difference in these attacks: while Israel tries to strike to missile launchers and the terrorist infrastructure, the Palestinian strikes were to kill innocent civilians and make a big celebration, passing candies around, after each murder.

    So gimme a break, will you? Keep with your rants and lies somewhere else!

  50. DON'T TRUST THOSE LYING MUSALAMAS

  51. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex Shapiro Namaste!

  52. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad Writing in capital letters that I’m wrong does not make your point correct.

    I’m quite familiar with the ‘tale’ that claims that the European (Ashkenazi) Jews have no relation to our ancient land and are just a religion. Yet, during the Holocaust, in which your people under the leadership of Mufti, took an active part and which you now deny as never happened, the Jews were killed because of their race. Even 1/8 of the Jewish blood was enough to send a person to gas chambers. In my internal passport, in the former Soviet Union, there were written in the 5th paragraph ‘Jew’ even though religion was officially banned at that time.

    As for your claim that the Palestinians are descendants of the Biblical Jews who converted to Islam, I suggest you to listen to speech of your fellow Palestinian, a minister from Hamas, who, in the slip of the tongue, clearly said who you really are – the Arabs, from the Saudi and Egypt:

  53. AlexShapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad

    Buthayna,

    Even we have agreed to make peace and friendship during our exchange, it, unfortunately, would not bring peace to the Middle East. But we had a chance to understand each other position. I have to admit, basing on your replies, that that is still a very slight chance for peace in that land, as long as the Palestinians keep sticking to their false perceptions of reality. You cannot claim a country for yourself without recognizing rights of other people. Israel is ready to recognize the rights of the Palestinians for their own country, but the Palestinians are still stuck with their denials for the Jews to have their own country. Hopefully the new generations will be more successful in that. With that I have to conclude our conversation.

  54. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: I'm not vilifying all the Muslims, only those who observe the precepts I mentioned earlier. Indeed, there are many Muslims for whom Islam is just a nice tradition, who are not particularly religious and in fact wish to keep away from the murderous and hateful things mentioned in Quran and Hadith. Alas, these people are the minority. As for the Zionism – it is a national movement of the Jewish people to return to their homeland, Zion (which is Jerusalem). And, by the way, according to the Quran, the Jews are entitled to return to their ancient homeland (Sura 17:104). Now, if you as a Palestinian don't think that the Jews deserve to have their homeland, you also don't deserve your own country. As simple as that. And no slogans, screams, disrupts and false propaganda can change this simple fact.

  55. Phyllis Kosen says:

    Cody Flecker So give an example of when the hecklers were Jewish? Opps, don't you mean Israeli? Can't can you? But here's another example where thugs wouldn't let Israelis talk: http://www.thepolypost.com/news/palestinians-protest-event-turns-chaotic/article_e765d30a-a365-11e3-be73-001a4bcf6878.html

  56. DuValJax says:

    Disruption of school function and interference with the administration is a misdemeanor. The agitator/s students must be trespassed from the property and expulsed from the school for a minimum term of (1) one year. The trespassed will lose all students privileges and tuitions’ rights already paid. That’s the law!

  57. DuValJax says:

    The University must apply PENAL CODE
    SECTION 626-626.11 to the agitators students or not!

  58. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad: Yeah, it's getting really funny. You offer me to check the facts whereas the facts are far from being your strongest point. You say that there was a "peace and co-existence in Palestine before the establishment of Israel." You're very conveniently 'forgot' the murder of Jewish men, including older men, women and children in Hebron in the 1920s and 1930s, the incessant attacks of Arab fedains on Jews back from the 19th century. The only difference is that after Israel was established it could fight back, which you, of course, don't like.

    As for Gaza- Israel vacated it completely, leaving behind the sophisticated hothouses, where you could give jobs to about 20,000 people and grow vegetables for export, You destroyed them in 2 days, completely. Instead of building second Dubai, you chose the extremist Hamas to the power who started to rain missiles on Israeli towns, which led to Gaza blockade and eventual Israeli retaliatory strikes. There is a big difference in these attacks: while Israel tries to strike to missile launchers and the terrorist infrastructure, the Palestinian strikes were to kill innocent civilians and make a big celebration, passing candies around, after each murder.

    So gimme a break, will you? Keep with your rants and lies somewhere else!

  59. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad Writing in capital letters that I'm wrong does not make your point correct.

    I'm quite familiar with the 'tale' that claims that the European (Ashkenazi) Jews have no relation to our ancient land and are just a religion. Yet, during the Holocaust, in which your people under the leadership of Mufti, took an active part and which you now deny as never happened, the Jews were killed because of their race. Even 1/8 of the Jewish blood was enough to send a person to gas chambers. In my internal passport, in the former Soviet Union, there were written in the 5th paragraph 'Jew' even though religion was officially banned at that time.

    As for your claim that the Palestinians are descendants of the Biblical Jews who converted to Islam, I suggest you to listen to speech of your fellow Palestinian, a minister from Hamas, who, in the slip of the tongue, clearly said who you really are – the Arabs, from the Saudi and Egypt:

  60. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Alex, speaking of recognizing rights and failure to gain any ground toward the peace process, here is one that you guys fail to do, recognize the right of return pre 1967 borders.

  61. Alex Shapiro says:

    Buthayna Hammad

    Buthayna,

    Even we have agreed to make peace and friendship during our exchange, it, unfortunately, would not bring peace to the Middle East. But we had a chance to understand each other position. I have to admit, basing on your replies, that that is still a very slight chance for peace in that land, as long as the Palestinians keep sticking to their false perceptions of reality. You cannot claim a country for yourself without recognizing rights of other people. Israel is ready to recognize the rights of the Palestinians for their own country, but the Palestinians are still stuck with their denials for the Jews to have their own country. Hopefully the new generations will be more successful in that. With that I have to conclude our conversation.

  62. Du Val Jax says:

    Disruption of school function and interference with the administration is a misdemeanor. The agitator/s students must be trespassed from the property and expulsed from the school for a minimum term of (1) one year. The trespassed will lose all students privileges and tuitions’ rights already paid. That’s the law!

  63. Du Val Jax says:

    The University must apply PENAL CODE
    SECTION 626-626.11 to the agitators students or not!

  64. IrfanSheikh says:

    Alex, the Palestinians do recognize Israel and Abbas has said over and over again, Israelis just tend to ignore his statement and repeat what you’re saying. It’s Israel that does not recognize Palestine or their Right to exist, while they build more illegal settlements, while the “settlers” continue to terrorize the Palestinians without any repercussions. Once Israel stops terrorizing the Palestinians and acknowledge their right to exist and to their own state is when Israel will feel safe. Most of the world recognizes Palestine aside from the Israeli controlled U.S. It’s time for a change in the 21st century or we’ll have a repeat of the 20th century

  65. RubenMisrahi says:

    You mean the 850,000 Jews from Arab countries that had to flee after 1948?
    Pre-1967, Jordan was called Transjordan. Why didn’t the Palestinians had their state there? Perhaps because the majority of Jordanians are Palestinians as well?

  66. RubenMisrahi says:

    Genocide is the systematic killing of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Palestinian population has grown much faster than most other Arabs. Life expectancy is also higher than most: 72.3.
    The plural of anecdote is not Data.

  67. RubenMisrahi says:

    Buthayna Hammad . Do you think before you write? Try it!

  68. RubenMisrahi says:

    Irfan Sheikh Typical answer Irfart.

  69. AlexShapiro says:

    1967 borders? There were no borders, but ceasefire lines, between Israel and the occupying Arab armies. The Arabs never agreed to the division of the land, that only Israel accepted. So the UN imposed on the warring parties these lines without any peace treaty signed. Therefore, there are not state borders and there’s absolutely no reason to return to them.

  70. AlexShapiro says:

    “Israel controls US and buys our politicians”? That was a funny statement. Israel is no match to billions of Arab petrodollars that I suspect do buy some American politicians and mass media.

  71. AlexShapiro says:

    Irfan Sheikh: Don’t make fun of yourself by writing blatant lies. The Palestinians refuse recognize Israel as a Jewish state. It is the only Jewish state in the world, while the Palestinians strive to create one more Arab state on the ancient Jewish land, by using blatant lies and falsification of facts. True, the most of the world is against Israel as it was before. Besides, the billions of Arab petrodollars also play a major role in it. Even though the Palestinian Arabs have settled on the ancient Jewish land, the Israel has agreed, again and again, to share this territory with them. But you always disagreed because you cannot accept the idea of a non-Muslim, Jewish state in your midst.

  72. IrfanSheikh says:

    Ruben, heard that before but never seen any independent agency publish that data, secondly they know most of their kids will not survive bc of Israel’s genocide which includes torture, malnutrition, and imprisonment of the Palestinian population. Alex, if the Arabs were to try and buy politicians it would most likely make the news but if AIPAC does it, no one will contest it. Matter of fact when your leader came to the U.S and addressed Congreve, people were cheering, clapping, and dancing and I’m sure it was not bc he is such a good friend. Why else are WE giving the 25th wealthiest nation in the world 3 billion a year? What you two posted earlier is a good point to make with someone who does not know what is going on, but when you say it to me, it sounds scripted.

  73. IrfanSheikh says:

    Typical answer Reuben Mirahi

  74. You mean the 850,000 Jews from Arab countries that had to flee after 1948?
    Pre-1967, Jordan was called Transjordan. Why didn't the Palestinians had their state there? Perhaps because the majority of Jordanians are Palestinians as well?

  75. Genocide is the systematic killing of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Palestinian population has grown much faster than most other Arabs. Life expectancy is also higher than most: 72.3.
    The plural of anecdote is not Data.

  76. Irfan Sheikh Typical answer Irfart.

  77. Alex Shapiro says:

    1967 borders? There were no borders, but ceasefire lines, between Israel and the occupying Arab armies. The Arabs never agreed to the division of the land, that only Israel accepted. So the UN imposed on the warring parties these lines without any peace treaty signed. Therefore, there are not state borders and there's absolutely no reason to return to them.

  78. Alex Shapiro says:

    "Israel controls US and buys our politicians"? That was a funny statement. Israel is no match to billions of Arab petrodollars that I suspect do buy some American politicians and mass media.

  79. Alex Shapiro says:

    Irfan Sheikh: Don't make fun of yourself by writing blatant lies. The Palestinians refuse recognize Israel as a Jewish state. It is the only Jewish state in the world, while the Palestinians strive to create one more Arab state on the ancient Jewish land, by using blatant lies and falsification of facts. True, the most of the world is against Israel as it was before. Besides, the billions of Arab petrodollars also play a major role in it. Even though the Palestinian Arabs have settled on the ancient Jewish land, the Israel has agreed, again and again, to share this territory with them. But you always disagreed because you cannot accept the idea of a non-Muslim, Jewish state in your midst.

  80. DavidChaseLinvill says:

    Look at all the Heeb trolls.

  81. MarkusBrajtman says:

    Buthayna Hammad
    It has everything to do with religion.
    Islam wants to convert the world to Sharia law.
    Heaven forbid anyone who stands in their way.
    This is not something I have just made up. You know it, we all know it. Islam has said time and time again, Islam will take over the world and convert the world to it’s ways.

  82. Buthayna Hammad
    It has everything to do with religion.
    Islam wants to convert the world to Sharia law.
    Heaven forbid anyone who stands in their way.
    This is not something I have just made up. You know it, we all know it. Islam has said time and time again, Islam will take over the world and convert the world to it's ways.

  83. MarkusBrajtman says:

    Wow Dawood.

    You post shows how stupid you are.
    You cannot answer ANYTHING PRODUCTIVELY, EXCEPT TO MAKE STUPID, CHILDISH COMMENTS.

    yOU ARE BREALLY A FOOL.

  84. MarkusBrajtman says:

    lIKE YOUR CO RELIONIST. yOU TOO ARE SO STUPID.

    SURE. aLL WE HAVE TO DO, IS TAKE IN 5 MILLION mUSLIMS AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF iSRAEL AS A jEWISH STATE. i AM SURE THAT UPSETS YOU THAT ISRAEL AS A jEWISH STATE, WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.

  85. Wow Dawood.

    You post shows how stupid you are.
    You cannot answer ANYTHING PRODUCTIVELY, EXCEPT TO MAKE STUPID, CHILDISH COMMENTS.

    yOU ARE BREALLY A FOOL.

  86. lIKE YOUR CO RELIONIST. yOU TOO ARE SO STUPID.

    SURE. aLL WE HAVE TO DO, IS TAKE IN 5 MILLION mUSLIMS AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF iSRAEL AS A jEWISH STATE. i AM SURE THAT UPSETS YOU THAT ISRAEL AS A jEWISH STATE, WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.

  87. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Markus Brajtman I dont understand what you are trying to say, maybe im just too stupid, but you sound racist. Alex and Ruben, you are prime example of refusing to recognize rights. Regardless of what you wanna call it, both my grandparents for forced from their homes. So what if their return will increase your population, and to want a Jewish only state is racist. Zionism is Nazism. There is a reason to return to them because it was peoples homes and lands, they are entitled to return after Israel waged war, colonized and settled into a new land for those. The jews who worked with my grandfather have just as much right to stay and live and coexist but not under your racist government.

  88. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Markus Brajtman you loooove calling people dumb but i dont see anything intelligent coming out of you. You are clearly projecting this thought of ppl are dumb or childish because they dont think like you. Your comment applies to you too, and wtf is a Heeb troll?!?

  89. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Markus Brajtman just because you hear a few extremist mulas say that doesnt mean it is true. It is a minority but you will never believe it. Israeli agenda is to separate Muslims from Christians in Palestine so they can continue to claim that their war is against an evil empire religion who wants to take over the world muhahaha. boy that sounds stupid, im glad a minority feel this way.

  90. StephenTannenbaum says:

    Irfan Sheikh Not seen independent agency publish that data? Try https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
    As for your “Palestinian” kids being subject to your list of tortures, prove it with just one link to just one photograph of a “Palestinian” child with a distended belly as a result of malnutrition. Just one. Go on.

  91. JohnHughes928 says:

    Buthayna Hammad, so you’re saying that the majority of Muslims do not believe in the prophecies of the PROPHET Muhammad? 1.5 billion people following a religion they don’t believe? That sounds a bit sillier than the fact that Islam’s end game is world domination by any means necessary, according to the honorable prophet, that is. Or are you saying he was not a prophet?

  92. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Roasted Locust Im saying you are not getting that from the Quran, you are confusing Hadith and that is the opinion of people who consider themselves religious scholars. Anyone who burries their head in a book (bible, torah, quran) too long and doesnt look up to see the world is changing so change with it not against it is an extremist. that includes all you Zionists and evangelicals and Taliban. You are all the same you are hateful extremists. So you are wrong ok Roasted nuts. You wanna keep searching for hateful theories and religious extremists that is cool, you will only believe that is what exists. Why dont you try looking for the other side of the coin. You will feel better knowing the world is not as ugly as you think it is. The Israeli govt and Zionism is part of that ugly. (that you will always refuse to see)

  93. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Stephen Tannenbaum http://thewe.cc/thewei/images2/palestine_2004/r3385436900.jpe Just look it up yourself, all these images of death and destruction, that is not torture? wrongful imprisonment tortures the prisoner and their children by being void of a father thanks to Israel.

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/child-malnutrition-remains-high-west-bank-and-gaza/11554

  94. IrfanSheikh says:

    Stephen I said an Independent agency not the CIA, our govt accepts bribes from AIPAC, and US media, agency, or any institution that accepts foreign money can not be trusted. The Palestinians are going through a slow death, obviously Israel is not lining them up and shooting them, that would bring too much attention. But if you can slowly starve them out, demolish their homes, stop medical treatment, not to let them out of their country, not allow any materials to build, and destroy their schools.. Then the outside world would be slow to notice what is going on. It’s still a GENOCIDE, as considered by most of the world

  95. Stephen Tannenbaum says:

    Irfan Sheikh Not seen independent agency publish that data? Try https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
    As for your "Palestinian" kids being subject to your list of tortures, prove it with just one link to just one photograph of a "Palestinian" child with a distended belly as a result of malnutrition. Just one. Go on.

  96. Buthayna Hammad, so you're saying that the majority of Muslims do not believe in the prophecies of the PROPHET Muhammad? 1.5 billion people following a religion they don't believe? That sounds a bit sillier than the fact that Islam's end game is world domination by any means necessary, according to the honorable prophet, that is. Or are you saying he was not a prophet?

  97. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Ruben Misrahi do you?

  98. JohnHughes928 says:

    Buthayna Hammad, don’t lecture me on what’s in the Quran. If it truly is a peaceful book, why don’t you spend more time lecturing people who are out there killing women and children? I’m not the one trying to figure out how to blow up the world while fantasizing about my virgins of paradise. If it’s been taken out of context like you say, you might accomplish more by explaining it to the ones who take it out of context as an excuse to kill. It’s been a good excuse for murder and conquest since its inception, and maybe someone like you can straighten out all the confusion that must have happened between the time the prophet died and the time his followers put it on paper. If you have the guts, tell the Islamic world what you’ve told us – that Islam does not condone violence against innocent civilians. If you manage that, you deserve a Nobel peace prize for real…you could be the first Palestinian to actually earn one.

  99. JohnHughes928 says:

    Buthayna Hammad, a “Heeb troll” appears to be shortened for “Hebrew troll”, which is a racial slur if I ever saw one. Not surprisingly, you took the side of the bully and attacked the abused at the same time. Now that I know you, I know I don’t like you.

  100. JohnHughes928 says:

    Irfan Sheikh, what do you mean when you say, “It’s time for a change in the 21st century or we’ll have a repeat of the 20th century”? Are you referring to the formation of the Judaic state? The triumph of the Judaic state over racially motivated enemies from all over the Arab world? Or are you talking about darker times? WW2? The holocaust? Oh, I see what you meant now. You were making a vague threat, and you thought it would go unnoticed. This is probably why israelis don’t trust palestinians — you guys are always making threats of violence and genocide against them.

    Truthfully, I don’t know why any sane person would want to live in Israel. Even if the land was the most fertile, it’s not worth it when the neighbors are always plotting to cut your throat. But if the Israelis choose to live where their ancestors lived and died, it’s their call. But if they ever face eviction by force or another massacre again, may each grain of sand in the region rise up in defense of creation against you and your kin. To curse them is to curse yourself.

  101. Buthayna Hammad, don't lecture me on what's in the Quran. If it truly is a peaceful book, why don't you spend more time lecturing people who are out there killing women and children? I'm not the one trying to figure out how to blow up the world while fantasizing about my virgins of paradise. If it's been taken out of context like you say, you might accomplish more by explaining it to the ones who take it out of context as an excuse to kill. It's been a good excuse for murder and conquest since its inception, and maybe someone like you can straighten out all the confusion that must have happened between the time the prophet died and the time his followers put it on paper. If you have the guts, tell the Islamic world what you've told us – that Islam does not condone violence against innocent civilians. If you manage that, you deserve a Nobel peace prize for real…you could be the first Palestinian to actually earn one.

  102. Buthayna Hammad, a "Heeb troll" appears to be shortened for "Hebrew troll", which is a racial slur if I ever saw one. Not surprisingly, you took the side of the bully and attacked the abused at the same time. Now that I know you, I know I don't like you.

  103. Irfan Sheikh, what do you mean when you say, "It's time for a change in the 21st century or we'll have a repeat of the 20th century"? Are you referring to the formation of the Judaic state? The triumph of the Judaic state over racially motivated enemies from all over the Arab world? Or are you talking about darker times? WW2? The holocaust? Oh, I see what you meant now. You were making a vague threat, and you thought it would go unnoticed. This is probably why israelis don't trust palestinians — you guys are always making threats of violence and genocide against them.

    Truthfully, I don't know why any sane person would want to live in Israel. Even if the land was the most fertile, it's not worth it when the neighbors are always plotting to cut your throat. But if the Israelis choose to live where their ancestors lived and died, it's their call. But if they ever face eviction by force or another massacre again, may each grain of sand in the region rise up in defense of creation against you and your kin. To curse them is to curse yourself.

  104. IrfanSheikh says:

    Roasted locus, after reading your post it’s clear you are part of the religious extremist right wing party in Israel. Your ears are closed and your mouth just keeps running. Logic is far from your grasp bc the only thing you want to hear is your own hate. Ms. Hamad is trying to make sense to a person who has none and all you keep repeating are stereotypes that your hate group has instilled in you. I live in the U.S and I have Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, Christian, and agnostic friends. We get along just fine, but they know if they try to demolish my house, starve me to death, take away my healthcare, threaten my life, or steal what does not belong to them in the name of religion, then they would have to kill me to do it. I seriously think you need to bring yourself to the 21st century and stop murdering people for their assets and start making friends with non Jews. I have and so can you, some May end up being your best friends just like what happened to me. My days are numbered on this planet and I just can’t stand by and say nothing when I can clearly see what is happening to the Palestinians and if you believe in one God, you know he will judge you, and that’s if you believe in one God.

  105. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Roasted Locust Im not losing any sleep at night knowing that you dont like me, but you sure dont know me.

  106. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Roasted Locust this is an interesting article where i think you can find like minded haters, racists and all other forms of ugliness in human beings. http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.578487

  107. Jake Lee says:

    Arabs can live, work, own property, work in Government and serve in the military in Israel. Jews cannot even step foot in Gaza or in certain parts of the West Bank. So WHO is committing the "Apartheid"?

  108. IrfanSheikh says:

    Jake after reading your posts earlier there’s not much to say to you. Arabs don’t live freely in Israel and are considered 2nd rate citizens, not allowed to own property, and when they get into govt they are kicked out once they voice their opinion.

  109. Irfan Sheikh says:

    Jake after reading your posts earlier there's not much to say to you. Arabs don't live freely in Israel and are considered 2nd rate citizens, not allowed to own property, and when they get into govt they are kicked out once they voice their opinion.

  110. MoishePupik says:

    Irfan Sheikh How pathetic that you actually believe anything you wrote above has any connection to reality on this planet.

  111. ButhaynaHammad says:

    Moishe Pupik what is pathetic is your delusions and inability to see what is in front of you. Hate has a way of blinding people. It is sad.

  112. JakeLee633 says:

    Question: Most Arabs living in the wasteland known as Palestine WILLINGLY left on the advice of neighboring Arab Countries when it was promised that the Jews in the newly formed COUNTRY of Israel would be annihilated. Would the millions of Jews that UNWILLINGLY left Europe be afforded a “Right of Return” to all the businesses and property that they lost? Hmmmmmm

  113. Moishe Pupik says:

    Irfan Sheikh How pathetic that you actually believe anything you wrote above has any connection to reality on this planet.

  114. Buthayna Hammad says:

    Moishe Pupik what is pathetic is your delusions and inability to see what is in front of you. Hate has a way of blinding people. It is sad.

  115. Jake Lee says:

    Question: Most Arabs living in the wasteland known as Palestine WILLINGLY left on the advice of neighboring Arab Countries when it was promised that the Jews in the newly formed COUNTRY of Israel would be annihilated. Would the millions of Jews that UNWILLINGLY left Europe be afforded a "Right of Return" to all the businesses and property that they lost? Hmmmmmm

  116. Avry Mizrahi says:

    no Jake, only Arabs have that privilege. because if we Jews did return we would have built up Europe even more then what it is. That's not allowed, only if we bombed then we would be allowed to go back

  117. YoramFisher665 says:

    JUDITH -I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU -NOT ALL OF THE S WERE MOSLEM -SOME OF THEM WERE LEFTY JEWS


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