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Women of the Wall Leadership Linked to Anti-Israel Groups

Women of the Wall Vice Chair Batya Kallus serves as an adviser to Sikkuy, a signatory to the Haifa Declaration calling for the abolishing of the State of Israel.

Women of the Wall Vice Chair Batya Kallus (pictured) and WOW Chair Anat Hoffman, advise and support a hefty list of anti-Israeli NGOs.

Women of the Wall Vice Chair Batya Kallus (pictured) and WOW Chair Anat Hoffman, advise and support a hefty list of anti-Israeli NGOs.

While Women of the Wall has built up a name for themselves as a feminist organization promoting women’s rights in Israel, their leadership in fact have links to anti-Israel groups that not many people know about.

In Israel, Women of the Wall is often presented as a feminist organization seeking to conduct egalitarian prayer services with women wearing tallits at the Western Wall, the last remnant of the Second Temple in Jerusalem, the holiest site within the Jewish faith. Regardless of whether one views their actions as provocative publicity stunts that disturb the peace at the Western Wall or as noble deeds designed to promote women’s rights within the Jewish religion, the Israeli public is generally not aware that the Women of the Wall leadership possesses links to anti-Israel groups.

The Jewish Press has learned that Women of the Wall Vice Chair Batya Kallus serves as an adviser to Sikkuy. This NGO is a signatory to the Haifa Declaration, which calls for the abolishing of the State of Israel, praises violent resistance, and accuses Israel of manipulating the memory of the Holocaust for political purposes.

Furthermore, Kallus has facilitated funding for anti-Israel groups Adalah, Ir Amin, Yesh Din, and Mossawa, as part of her position as programs officer for the Moria Fund. Though outwardly presented as human rights groups, these organizations contribute towards the delegitimization of Israel in the world.

Adalah is opposed to Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, views Israel to be a colonial state, and has participated in anti-Israel activism via Israel Apartheid Weeks and the Goldstone Report, which until its arguments were retracted by its main author caused Israel significant diplomatic damage. Adalah is mentioned by name 38 times in the Goldstone Report.

Ir Amim supports the division of Jerusalem, has asserted that Israel’s archaeological digs within the city are a “tool in the fight for control” over the city, that Israeli governmental powers are being handed over to “settler organizations,” and that the Security Barrier is not motivated primarily by security concerns. They run highly politicized anti-Israel tours of the holy city, which indoctrinate internationals into holding anti-Israel views. In the Huffington Post, Ir Amim appealed to the US Government to “threaten Israel with severing diplomatic ties. Threaten us with cutting back on, or even cutting off, the annual support package. Bludgeon us over the head and force us to wise up.”

Yesh Din views Israel to be an apartheid state and demonstrated support for Turkey after the Gaza Flotilla incident, even though the Turkish sailors on board the Mavi Marmara ship chanted jihadi slogans and attacked IDF soldiers. They routinely indoctrinate foreign diplomats to hold anti-Israel views, petition the Israeli Supreme Court to rule more in favor of the Palestinian side, and encourage Palestinians to demand more from Israel.

Mossawa is based on the premise that “the State of Israel was established on the ruins of the Palestinian people, for whom the event was a national tragedy – the Nakba.” Mossawa, like Adalah, explicitly has stated that they refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. They publish an annual racism report that makes outrageous claims, such as labeling an indictment against Hadash Chairman MK Muhammad Barakeh for assaulting a police officer as a violation of the Arab MK’s political freedom. This listing just represents a sample of the types of organizations that Kallus facilitated funding for.

Woman of the Wall Chair Anat Hoffman also happens to be the chair of the Domari Society of Gypsies in Jerusalem. Her association partners include Yonathan Mizrahi and Dafna Strauss from the Emek Shaveh organization, which calls for an international committee to investigate Israeli archaeological work in Jerusalem and runs archaeology-based anti-Israel tours of the city.

The Domari Society of Gypsies is also part of Al Aqsa Grassroots, an anti-Israel network that supports “resistance to the occupation” and is against the “Judaization of Jerusalem,” in addition to supporting the Palestinian right of return to Israel proper.

Additionally, prior to the 1993 Oslo Accords, Hoffman was the chairwoman of Women in Black, a group that advocates giving all of Judea and Samaria, as well as East Jerusalem which includes the area of the Kotel, to the Palestinian Authority. Interestingly, the Women of the Wall organization do not deny these accusations in regards to their leadership. Women of the Wall spokeswoman Shira Pruce stated, “Our participants and supporters come from all walks of life, political opinions, and Jewish denominations.”

About the Author: Rachel Avraham is a news editor and political analyst for Jerusalem Online News, the English language internet edition of Israel's Channel 2 News. She completed her masters degree in Middle Eastern Studies at Ben-Gurion University. The subject of her MA thesis was: "Women and Jihad: Debating Palestinian Female Suicide Bombings in the American, Israeli and Arab media."


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100 Responses to “Women of the Wall Leadership Linked to Anti-Israel Groups”

  1. Dan Silagi says:

    What's an "anti-Israel group"? One which doesn't believe in your particular ultra-right viewpoint?

    I guess, from your standpoint, those who believe that women have the same religious rights as men are "anti-Israel." In that case, tergament, count me among those self-hating "Jews" who are "anti-Israel."

    There's nothing like a little McCarthyistic malarkey on a slow news day, isn't there, Rachel?

  2. Dejan Popov says:

    I'll tell you "What's an "anti-Israel group?". Those who have no children and family, have no university degree, or have graduated social-quasi-no-use-science, have no profession, come from bad father and even worse mother, have no qualification for what they do, and are zeros in every respect, but for dirty money of Sorosh and likes engage in provocations with only motivation to make as big damage as possible, and are among other participating in demonstrations together with Palestinians against Israel, and at the same time pretend to be religious, as if Jewish religion is "Long Live Palestine, Death to Israel", these are anti-Israel groups.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Anti-Semitism is the oldest ideology in history. When you support those virulent forces who desire the annihilation of Israel that makes you an anti-Semite. The anti-Israel campaign is the latest form of anti-Semitism. You can in good faith disagree with a piece of legislation or a policy, but when you support those blood-thirsty monsters waging a genocidal war against Israel, you are an anti-Semite.

  4. Wow, I have known Betsy Kallus for over three years and she never discussed here work with me. What an eye opener. Betsy is an even more wonderful person than I thought. I wish I worked in my day job for Sikkuy. Wonder if they need a computer programmer..Pasting here a little bit about this wonderful institution.
    Sikkuy (a "chance" or "opportunity" in Hebrew) is a non-partisan NGO in Israel that develops and implements projects to advance equality between Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel in government budgets, resource allocation, hiring policy, land usage, access to government services, etc.
    Founded in 1991 as a shared Jewish-Arab advocacy organization, Sikkuy's actions are motivated by the right of every citizen to influence government decisions and policies and dedicated to advancing civil society in Israel through the values of:
    EQUALITY – Advancing complete equality between Arab and Jewish citizens.
    SHARED CITIZENSHIP – Promoting the core value of shared citizenship as the basis for equality.
    HUMAN DIGNITY – Mainstreaming human dignity as the supreme value in relations between the state and its citizens.

  5. First I am familiar with Rachel Avramham's contribution to good journalism, this article not only surprised me but enlightened me.! I now understand why many ultra orthodox men and others may object to women like this praying at the Wall. How many women who feel they are just performing their need, to pray at the wall are familiar with this anti-Israel rather overweight and loud mouthed woman's hidden agenda? Export her to an Islamic state along with her cohorts and let the stupid creature learn what it is to have no freedom. This is detestable behavior on behalf of a small group of Jewish women. Her ideas are based on absolute crap. Personally I would forbid her to pray at the wall along with less radical women, she is clearly doing no good. Finally I'm old enough to have witnessed the first load of loud mouthed women like Hoffman, Spruce & Co, rensentful miserable individuals who felt women were exploited, then came Shere Hite who was not only beautiful but had an objective brain, we are the same generation and she is still writing.

  6. Your remarks are uncalled for, Rachel Avraham is a good journalist and if you observe the facial expression and body language of the woman in the photograph you will note she is similar to many of the radical women screaming and burning their bra's during the '70's maybe you are unfamiliar with this period of time, before your time maybe?

  7. Sarah Williams says:

    Hahaha—so it's McCarthyist if it doesn't agree with your particular ultra-left viewpoint? Hypocrite.

  8. Dejan Popov says:

    Rachel, I am surprised that in a lengthy post you didn't deny the main claim in the text, that "Sikkuy [that you praise so much] is a signatory to the Haifa Declaration, which calls for the abolishing of the State of Israel, praises violent resistance…" Why is that? The claim is right? You agree with it?

  9. Chaiya Eitan says:

    Finally exposed for who they are!

  10. Chaiya Eitan says:

    I second Dejan Popov's question: Do you support the 'Haifa Declaration?' Do you support violent resistance?

  11. you have not addressed the main point of this article- that WOW is linked with groups that have signed the Haifa delcaration calling for an end to Israel. It is time for WOW to come out of the closet and proudly declare its allegiance to BDS. I personally would not be surprised if WOW was linked to the anti-feminist and homophobic Islamic Waqf of Jerusalem and Sheikh raed Salah

  12. okay, you have been counted as an anti-Israel Jew. I assume you will put your money where your mouth is and join the next flotilla,

  13. Rob Davis says:

    I am glad that these aspects of the WoW leadership are coming out. It means that even those who try hardest to 'see the other point of view' can appreciate exactly where loyalties and allegiances lie. In case we were in any doubt, these activities bring out the extent of the danger that these people present – to Judaism, to Israel, and to Jews. What an irony that they so closely follow Psalm 81 – Starting with 'Blow the shofar at the moon's renewal . . ' sounds like the WoW, doesnt it? But look where it leads . . 'So I let them follow their heart's desires, they follow their own fantasies. If only My people would hed me, if Israel would walk in My ways!'!

  14. Rob Davis says:

    If any of the WoW believe what they say, about sincerely wishing to pray, and so on, they should stop worrying so much about looking pretty in brightly-colored Talitot and donning Tefilin religiously once a month (!), and stop supporting these self-hating Jews!

  15. Dan Silagi says:

    Yes, she'd be perfect on FoxNews as a shill for Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. So would you.

  16. Dan Silagi says:

    Your comment, Vivienne, is utterly beneath contempt. I personally have no great love of Muslims, but those who are Israeli citizens are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Does that make someone who advocates that position "anti-Israel"?

  17. Dejan Popov, the main claim of this text is that Sikkuy is a signatory to the Haifa Declaration (which thanks to you, I now know what it is)? Really? Well that's good, because I thought the main claim of this article was that Women of the Wall is an anti Israel organisation. Personally I don't agree with that declaration. I read it and it is one sided from an Arab point of view , and I'm on the Jewish side, so it doesn't agree with my viewpoint. I don’t see that Sikkuy is a signatory. But I did see many Hebrew University professors who contributed to the writing of that declaration. Does that mean that Hebrew University is anti-Israel?

  18. Chaia Beckerman says:

    Just scanned the Haifa Declaration and found it a very admirable document overall, though I take exception to some of it. This was the only reference I found to violent resistance and I am at a loss to understand how it can be taken as "praise" of it. "We reject sectarian zeal and all forms of prejudice, which at times reach the extreme of physical violence and which obstruct the opportunities of wider social solidarity and the construction of a national identity."

  19. Chaia Beckerman says:

    I am also at a loss to understand the characterizations of Sikkuy and other organizations that I know to be staffed by those whose critique of Israel stems from love of Israel. Starting with Women of the Wall, which here has once again been described as seeking egalitarian prayer. It does not. I could not be more proud of the way WOW has overcome political and denominational divides in coming together around the cause of halachic group prayer in the women's section of the Kotel.

  20. Dejan Popov says:

    Chaia Beckerman , is it perhaps the case that 90% of the "Women of the Wall" have not given birth? You seem to be well informed. I don't expect you to give me that information, though, but if I am right, wouldn't that be strange?

  21. Dejan Popov says:

    Chaia Beckerman , also, I see you are from Minnesota. I saw on Israeli TV that many, many from the so called "Women of the Wall" are English native speakers. Do they all come from the States each time just to make that provocation and then go back? Certainly its a strange thing if that is not authentic movement, but is directed and financed from abroad. Wall does, of course, belong to all the Jews, but still. I am waiting for more transparency in the structure of the WoW. This article has started the process and it is very good thing.

  22. Dejan Popov says:

    Rachel Cohen Yeshurun , one of the main arguments of the main claim of the article that Women of the Wall is an anti Israel organisation with sinister provocateur agenda, and the FIRST one to appear already in the third paragraph, was that Sikkuy is a signatory of the Haifa Declaration. Why try to switch the thesis? You yourself just acknowledged that you "don't agree with that declaration. I read it and it is one sided from an Arab point of view… " Yet, you skipped this first and important argument and went on to explain how Sikkuy is wonderful. That seems contradictory to me.

  23. Ron Kall says:

    Dan Silagi muslims who live in Israel as citizens are exactly a third column threat to Israel. They do nothing but work from within to destroy Israel in every way! Vivienne is right on. If the muslims where in control in Israel, the Jews would all be killed at the worst and would certainly not have any rights in the least! Stop your fantasy that muslim Israelis are anything less that the enemy within! For real!!

  24. Dan Silagi You are great at ad hominem attacks . the ones who are McCarthyist are you..We defend israel, not for anything it's done but against your screed, and your ilk are insulted that anyone would have the real facts. You deal with emotion and "values" and we deal in facts. You are an anti-semite, and we will follow you all over whenever you spill your hate.

  25. Ron Kall says:

    An anti Israel group is a group that actively works toward the destruction of the Jewish nation of Israel! Not like Dan Silagi didn't know that before his post!!

  26. who needs external enermies???

  27. thanks for posting this. Good information

  28. BOTTOM LINE: radical, leftist femi-nazis are of piece with their Islamist counterparts and this is a fact. They march arm in arm.

    The fact of the matter is that those who agitate to remove all vestiges of tradition at Israel's holy sites would NEVER, in many lifetimes, demand the same from their Islamic counterparts. Heaven forfend.

    I have stated it ad nauseum, the feminstas want to destroy Israel as the Jewish state. Period. It has NOTHING to do with equality. In a pig's eye.

    Adina Kutnicki, Israel http://www.adinakutnicki.com/about/

  29. it doesn't surprise me.

  30. Ilana Shaltiel says:

    The big question is, why is the government, right government, does'nt work against NIF , and allows her freedom ..
    We know about these organizations, but no one asks why the right government allows all this?

  31. Shahar Avraham says:

    i belive tha it is for the same reson why the goverment does not alow to jews to pray in the tample mount…

  32. Shahar Avraham says:

    to make jews to be sapirated from the past history and jewdaism

  33. Gabor Karmo says:

    This is tremendous! I don't know, why these NGOs are tolerated and not yet banned by the State

  34. Eva Feld says:

    Ilana, may I ask if you, or your husband is related to Rabbi Shealtiel of 8th Century Rabbinic scholarship fame? I quote: "Rabbi Shealtiel, whose family tree is alive and well throughout Western Europe, Israel and the United States, Please reply to: veezee07@hotmail.com b'todot.

  35. Why is it that the Right wing 'nationalist' govt has done more damage to Jews and Jewish state than any Left-wing party? All the land given away was given away by Right wing Prime Ministers starting with Menachem Begin..

  36. Dan Silagi No, that's not true. Not everyone deserves the same rights or is entitled to them. Antagonists, provocateurs and those who slither around saying "I'm a Jew and I have rights" who then turns around and has their hand filled with money by enemies of the state, deserve nothing…They should be shunned.

  37. Earl W. Littlefield Jr says:

    Abide the witch to have her way and you will live in chaos…..Women of the Wall are not of the Jewish Faith. Their insistence in disturbing the most religious services in Israel is not a practice of faith but a mockery of others practicing their faith. Allowing rioters, both Jewish & Arab to stone & firebomb citizens and allowing witches to interrupt worship services indicate that Israel is not ruled by law, but by chaos…..

  38. Dan Silagi says:

    Doveleh: Bring it.

  39. Dan Silagi says:

    You're gonna follow me all over? That sounds like you want a piece of me. My advice to you: Stay the hell in Efrat.

  40. Excellent reporting. It appeared to me that the leadership had ulterior motives and your research has clearly shown this to be true. Unfortunately women, not aware of the true purpose of WOW are being used for nefarious purposes. Hopefully with awareness will come a change of heart and they willl leave this anti-Zionist group.

  41. God forgive them as they do not know what they are doing.

  42. Sorry, I thought it was obvious to all that Sikkuy is *not a signatory * to the Haifa Declaration. But why are we even talking about this document? It seems to have been written by over 100 people, some of them from Hebrew University. I studied at Hebrew University. Am I guilty of something by association? The point is that I support and lead an organization, Women of the Wall that brings thousands of women to the Kotel for Jewish prayer thereby strengthening our connection to Jerusalem in a nonviolent and constructive way. Women of the Wall is seen worldwide by Jews and non Jews alike as a positive force for religious renewal and political change in Israel. Israelis who long ago gave up on the Kotel have seen us on their television sets and YouTube videos. No more 'out of sight, out of mind'. Women of the Wall have returned the Kotel to the national concensus, both spiritually and physically.

  43. what a scoop, Rachel Avraham – very important article.

  44. True story: WOW chairwoman Anat Hoffman is of course an ultra-radical Berkeley-made flaming anti-Israel agitpropagandist and, naturally, all her little 5th column tiny group too. She once bemoaned, totally bemoaned that Israel "destroyed" the then parts of the Old city of Jerusalem built up immediately in front of the Western Wall by the illegal Jordanian regime Arabs for Arabs to live in ramshackle miserable houses, which were removed of course after the 6 day war to make way for the Kotel praying area. It's sooooo utterly transparent where this basically antisemitic/anti-zionist woman and her wretched guop is/are coming from. It's only natural that she (they) of course couldn't care elss about any, I repeat *ANY* udaism and praying, it's ALL for show in the service of a radical blatantly anti-Israel, and obvious antisemitic cause. How do you like these facts now, folks?

  45. Rachel Cohen Yeshurun You are of course a clumsily hidden, but still transparent fraud, cheater and radical let's say quasi-N*zi Mr. (you are a clever girl – Hmmmm… – certainly capable of decoding wmy drift here). WOW chairwoman Anat Hoffman is of course an ultra-radical Berkeley-made flaming anti-Israel agitpropagandist and, naturally, all her little 5th column tiny group too. She once bemoaned, totally bemoaned that Israel "destroyed" the then parts of the Old City of Jerusalem built up immediately in front of the Western Wall by the illegal Jordanian regime Arabs for Arabs to live in ramshackle miserable houses, which were removed of course after the 6 day war to make way for the Kotel praying area. It's sooooo utterly transparent where this basically antisemitic/anti-Zionist woman and her wretched gruop is/are coming from. It's only natural that she (they) of course couldn't care less about any, I repeat *ANY* Judaism and praying, it's ALL for show in the service of a radical blatantly anti-Israel, and obvious antisemitic cause. How do you like these facts now, folks?

  46. Dan Silagi says:

    There goes Dejan the Transylvanian, popping off his mouth with those big long incisors. BTW, giving birth isn't always the great mitvah it's cracked up to being. Look in the mirror to learn why.

  47. When I saw the headline on the email I thought this was about World of Warcraft!

  48. Ari Dann says:

    They know exactly what they're doing – that's the problem.

  49. Russell Grayson says:

    Anti-Semitism is the oldest MENTAL ILLNESS in the world. Ever notice how unbalanced most of these Jew-haters are? Especially the Jew-haters who say "I'm Jewish"? Does that give them a pass? No way–modern Kapos is what they are.

  50. Annice Benamy says:

    This article is very disturbing in that the journalist is using her prejudice against Arabs to spread lies about Women of the Wall. The Israel NGOs that these women are involved with support a 2 State solution where Jews and Arabs live side by side. They are not looking to "abolish" Israel. Another bias piece by a bias journalist. Get the facts straight. Women of the Wall are very Jewish, from all denominations, walks of life, and around the world. I am a proud supporter and member of WoW. The issue is gender equality in the 21st century. Let the ultra orthodox do what they do and let those who believe in egalitarianism do what they do. We can all live together peacefully side by side.

  51. Ilana Dahan says:

    In the name of provocations!! God will not accept their prayers!!!! never!!!

  52. Ilana Dahan says:

    P-R-O-V-O-C-A-T-I-O-N

  53. Ilana Dahan says:

    Women of the Wall – SHAME ON YOU!!! The holy wall belongs only for a pure Jews…..you are "EREV RAV"

  54. Ilana Dahan says:

    you ate right!

  55. let’s stick to the facts regarding the 2 states lie::
    1- Arab and Jews live together in Israel right now –in peace where none of Jewish communities left in the Arab countries.
    2- The Arab communities that live in Israel don't want to live under Palestinian government.
    3- By the Islam law- Jew can’t hold the holy land. it belongs to the Muslims.
    4- The only time Palestinian people vote their minds they preferred Hamas.
    5- The Hamas and PLO declarations support strategy of peace willingness to gain military victories. I'm sure you read them and know exactly what Arab want's.

  56. Well, this is New Israel Fund strategy.
    Their new Israel- in vision, will purified from any Jewish cultural, heritage, values and signs -that’s why it’s New!

    Protesting for the right to pray by the wall is just a cover-up. These so–called religious feminist (ha!) will NEVER protest to prey on the Temple Mount or against the known Muslim religious tolerance.

    NIF folks, by God -you sucks!

  57. Jessica Souza says:

    Rachel Cohen Yeshurun Really dishonest comparison. How can you compare the stance of individuals in a public university to the stance of a few individuals in a small radical group where all its members hold the same ideological stances? And yes, those professors are anti-Israel. Nothing new under the Sun, just look at Ilan Pappe…

  58. Let's face it, the WOW is not looking for anything other than to make a political statement against traditional Judaism — using misguided and foreign notions of feminism. I (and most "orthodox" rabbis) would support the group if they were motivated by a religious sentiment and a real desire to pray like all the others. But everyone knows that's not the case…

    Most Israelis — non-religious Jews included — support the Orthodox views regarding religion and are offended and against the "religious Marxism" of the Reform/Conservative movements that those women represent. No matter how much the media pimps their cause, it won't work here. Israel and America are very different places, here Jews actually know what Judaism is…

  59. You show what you really are just by using pedantic and hollow expressions such as "gender equality". There's no such thing in Judaism. The genders are different and, because of that, they are treated differently. We Israeli Jews know that Judaism is not the Democratic National Convention. Keep your platitudes, war cries and political slogans out of our religion.

  60. Interesting… apparently not all self-hating Jews are men. Who knew?

  61. I don't support the Orthodox views regarding religion, but am against Marxism and strongly support peace in the Middle East, where Arabs and Israelis get along wiht one another. I am also in favor of the two-state solution where Israel and Palestine are separate nations

  62. Dan Silagi says:

    Looking at your picture, it doesn't look like you could make it as a firefighter. Then again, I can't have a baby. But there's no reason why women can't sing at the Wailing Wall, read from the Torah, or bring a Torah into their section. None of these things require one to walk down 10 flights of stairs while carrying a 200-pound man on his (or in some cases, her) back. And what you call "Judaism" I call idiocy.

  63. Dan Silagi says:

    I'm sure, Moriah, that if you lived in the American South about 50 years ago, you'd be making the same arguments about blacks.

  64. Dan Silagi says:

    Unless you're Arnold Schwarzenegger in "Junior, Pop-off, I doubt if you'll be giving birth anytime soon. But I wish you a long, arduous labor, without benefit of an epidural. Maybe kidney stones can take its place.

  65. Dan Silagi Szilágyi Sir (Could you please do me the favour to be able to write your own name correctly, drooling idiot, analphabet illiterat man), if my memory does not disappoint me, I had a quarrel with you last time. You are I'm afraid the spiritual (at least) grandson of Rákosi, Gerő és társai (Et Co.). And Soros the living Satan himself with his black corched ehart inside him. So you know what I'm talking about nail-eliciting Kapo.

  66. Dan Silagi Szilágyi Sir (Could you please do me the small favour to finally learn to write your very own name – !!! – correctly, drooling idiot, analphabet illiterate man), if my memory does not disappoint me, I had a quarrel with you last time. You are I'm afraid the spiritual (at least) grandson of Rákosi, Gerő és társai (Et Co.). And Soros the living Satan himself with his black corched heart embedded inside him. So you know what I'm talking about nail-eliciting Kapo. Viva Israel 4EVER. Am Yisrael Chai!

  67. Dvir Yaakov says:

    Look who's bias. Annice, this is Judaism. It's been preserved for thousands of years by those who understand the importance of adhering to the Torah. The very Book that is discarded if even one letter is added or subtracted.
    Wishful thinking is no reason to change things now. We are not identical and no amount of wishing or stomping your feet will make it so. Thank G-d!
    The G-d of Israel gave us our path way before you were pouting because men and women are not the same, not physically, not mentally, and not spiritually. Why does this have to be a bad thing? Why is something you understand good and something infinitely bigger than you, BAD?
    What WOWless Members fail to realize is that the Judaism you hate is the very one that not only says you are different from men but superior to them. This is why you are not instructed to wear tallit nor to don tefillin. Men need this to establish the same connection women already have.
    Women aren’t seated separately in shul as a punishment. HaShem knows men are weak. We’re animals that are easily distracted by the opposite sex. Seating is arranged so women can see their men, while men are obstructed from seeing women so they can focus and pray.
    If you “Ladies” weren’t so caught up in it all being about you, you might see the beauty that is Judaism and embrace our differences. Worship is not for you to dictate. Praying is for HaShem and in a way that He has decreed. A peasant does not tell the King He is doing it all wrong and try to change things.
    Contrary to modern day belief. It isn’t all about us. Gratitude to Our Creator and how He likes it expressed trumps your selfish wishes to be something you will never be.
    As for the Torah… G-d clearly states a woman is unclean when she is cycling, so the Torah is not just handed over to the women’s side out of honor and respect for HaShem. Observant women understand this and protect this because they, too, know it is not all about them.
    As for the 2-State Pollution? Really? The PLO’s very emblems depict the entire state of Israel. Abbas without fail announces time and again to the Arab speaking world that “Palestine” will be JEW-FREE… that means even ignoramus Jews such as yourself who champion their cause will not be welcome in the State you are helping to create.
    HELLO! They want ALL of Israel.
    They Can’t Have it… but if you continue to jeopardize Our Land, they can have you and the rest of the WOW-Factor.
    News Flash! The Highest Source is not a bunch of women with an all too apparent, limited intellect. The Highest Source is the One who created all of us… to be different. That should be respected and we should show Him endless gratitude.
    It isn’t all about you… in fact the path you boWOWs are on is a path to nothingness, where the only thing equal is that you are all failures who simply didn’t get how blessed you truly… were.

  68. Robbie Goldstein says:

    Yes, the genders are different. But the fact is that Sefardic women have always worn Tallit, and it was a medieval German Rabbi, Meir of Rothenberg, who forbid Ashkenazi women from wearing them. Prior to him, women wore them to daven. There is no prohibition of women in Torah from performing this Mitzvah, if they choose to and can.

    ALL of Israel are commanded to wear fringes on 4 cornered garments. One may assume women are included in "ALL of Israel." I am Sefardic, I do daven in a Tallit, the generations of women in my family always have, and I will not be told to do otherwise. If you do not wish to, that is your own affair.

    You may also find it interesting to note that Rashi had his own daughters don a Tallit and even fashioned for them Tefillin. Many early Torah sages and scholars permited women to wear tallit. Among them: Isaac ibn Ghiyyat , Rashi , Rabbeinu Tam , Zerachya ben Yitzhak Halevi of Lunel, Rambam , Rabbi Eliezer ben Yoel Halevi, Rashba , Aharon Halevi of Barcelona , Rabbi Yisrael Yaaqob Alghazi, and Rabbi Yomtob ben Yisrael Alghazi, to name a few. So, we may deduce that women were, and are, permitted to.

    Are ALL of these members of WOW are part of Anti-Israel NGOs? Or just a few of their leaders? There are those who have been davening at the wall for Rosh Chodesh, for over 20 years. Those who are against Israel should not be living there. They need to go.
    However, there are "Ultra -Orthodox" groups that are against the state of Israel, too. The Neturei Karta is not what one would call peaceful, or Israel friendly. And to my knowledge, no WOW member ever met with and presented Ahmadinejad a sterling silver loving cup for his desire to destroy Israel and kill Jews for living there. The Neturei Karta did. Is anyone addressing them on their activities?

    Finally, this in-fighting among us all really needs to stop. Our history shows there have always been many groups among us. Some of the comments on this board are vicious. Hitler did not care who was frum or not. Every Jew is a part of us.

  69. Robbie Goldstein says:

    If you study, you will find that there is only a wall left because we were to busy hating and infighting with our fellow Jew and hating them for their differences.

  70. Dan Silagi says:

    Gabor From Hunger (fka Gabor Frank), can you do me a large favor? Gehen Sie in Meer scheissen (or, for you Yiddische kopfen, gai kocken affen yam). And if you want to call me names, please have the beitzim (which you don't have) to do so up and personally, so I can kick your ugly Arsch all the way into 5775.

  71. Dan Silagi says:

    Gabor From Hunger (fka Gabor Frank), can you do me a large favor? Gehen Sie in Meer scheissen (or, for you Yiddische kopfen, gai kocken affen yam). And if you want to call me names, please have the beitzim (which you don't have) to do so up and personally, so I can kick your ugly Arsch all the way into 5775.

  72. Dan Silagi says:

    Gabor Hungary fka Gabor Frank: No, I'm the descendant of Ilona Szilagyi, who was the wife of Vlad the Impaler. If you have the beitzim to insult me after sundown, you'll learn that I've inherited some of Vlad's more interesting qualities.

  73. Robbie Goldstein
    Excuse my French, but this is utter bull****. If you wanna talk about this issues — and I was never against it, as you can see in my previous post — you can do it by bringing arguments and convincing people using JEWISH sources, not political pressure using leftist methods of disinformation and propaganda. You didn't answer my criticism, you just brought tidbits of history that are not part of this conversation. Halakha matters are discussed within Judaism and using Jewish sources, not with political pressure funded by anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli organizations.

  74. Robbie Goldstein With the Rabbis — people who only discuss Jewish issues — you guys use Marxist tactics, and when talking to critics of your political modus operandi, you talk about Judaism. How about doing the opposite? If I criticize your political stances, answer me talking about it, and talk to the rabbis about halakha. ;)

  75. Dan Silagi There is a reason, the problem is that you are too ignorant — and apparently too pretentious — to study and see why. That's why what I and all JEWS call Judaism (since the 2nd Temple was destroyed, by the way) you "call idiocy"….

  76. Just to make it clear: I know that Sephardic Judaism was always more tolerant and liberal in its rullings. Even today you see women singing in "ultra-orthodox" Sephardic synagogues (as a choir). I also know about Rashi's daughter… just like every single Ashkenazi rabbi, so let's not act as if we were discovering the Americas.
    The rabbis know about all of these facts and yet they are not very supportive of the cause. Regardless of our opinions, these matters should be discussed using the Bible and the sages, not channel 2, haaretz, George Soros and cries for "gender equality".

    Neturei Karta is a tiny, extreme, fringe group who allies itself to Arabs who deny Israel's right to exist and threaten us with desctruction (very similar to WoW in this regard) and were banned even by other "anti-zionist" groups such as Satmar.
    Allying yourself to Arabs — no matter how pious and righteous your reasons might be — is crossing the line. Even to "anti-Zionist" Jewish groups:

    Klausenburger Rebbe:
    “When we look at the map today we are ashamed that, because of our numerous sins, Eretz Israel looks so shriveled, compared with the black, threatening balloon. And when you need to write ‘Jerusalem’ on the map, the word ends up somewhere abroad and you’re unable to write ‘Jerusalem’ within the map. And they want to take that, too, away from us, that, too, they won’t have the charity to give the Jews, that, too, they wish to divide, God forbid, may God wipe out the names of the wicked and the terrorists with whom Jews are collaborating…”

  77. You say you are against Marxism, yet you are repeating the Marxist/Reformist idea that there are several forms of Judaism…
    It doesn't work like that, Nancy. You can see that in Israel, where leftism wasn't able to infiltrate itself in the religion, there's no such thing as "Orthodox views regarding religion" because there's only one "view" in Judaism. That's why, in the country, religious Zionists/Modern Orthodox, ultra-Orthodox and traditional Jews are almost a monolithic bloc. There isn't a real difference in purposes and values, just an increase in the level of adherence to religious principles. You can tell them apart by their clothes, customs or by how far they take the same principles. But they never dispute the principles.
    Unlike in the US, where Judaism (because of Reformism and Conservatism) was replaced by "social justice", "gender rights", assimilationism…

  78. Robbie Goldstein
    This is doesn't make any sense. If the WOW wants to discuss these issues — and I was never against them, as you can see in my previous post — they can do it by bringing arguments and convincing people using JEWISH sources, not political pressure using leftist methods of disinformation and propaganda. You didn't answer my criticism, you just brought tidbits of history that are not really part of this conversation. Halakha matters are discussed within Judaism and using Jewish sources, not with political pressure funded by anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli organizations.

    With the Rabbis — people who only discuss Jewish issues — the WOW uses Marxist tactics, and when talking to critics of their political modus operandi, you talk about Judaism. How about doing the opposite? If I criticize political stances, answer me talking about it, and talk to the rabbis about halakha.

  79. Robbie Goldstein
    Just to make it clear: I know that Sephardic Judaism was always more tolerant and liberal in its rulings. Even today you see women singing in "ultra-orthodox" Sephardic synagogues (as a choir). I also know about Rashi's daughters… just like every single Ashkenazi rabbi…
    They know about all of these facts and yet they are not very supportive of the cause. Regardless of our opinions, these matters should be discussed using the Bible and the sages, not channel 2, haaretz and George Soros.

    Neturei Karta is a tiny, extreme, fringe group who allies itself to Arabs who deny Israel's right to exist and threaten us with desctruction (very similar to WoW in this regard) and were banned even by other "anti-zionist" groups such as Satmar.
    Allying yourself to Arabs — no matter how pious and righteous your reasons might be — is crossing the line. Even to "anti-Zionist" Jewish groups:

    Klausenburger Rebbe
    “When we look at the map today we are ashamed that, because of our numerous sins, Eretz Israel looks so shriveled, compared with the black, threatening balloon. And when you need to write ‘Jerusalem’ on the map, the word ends up somewhere abroad and you’re unable to write ‘Jerusalem’ within the map. And they want to take that, too, away from us, that, too, they won’t have the charity to give the Jews, that, too, they wish to divide, God forbid, may God wipe out the names of the wicked and the terrorists with whom Jews are collaborating…”

  80. Moshe Wainer says:

    Robbie Goldstein "One may assume women are included in "ALL of Israel." "
    Are you sure you're Sephardic? Assuming you're being honest, seems like you might be a Karaite… =p
    One may assume it if "one" never read the Talmudic discussions. There are times when all of Israel meant only men. We don't assume anything relying on loose quotes from the Torah. There are no Sephardic Sadducees, we're all Pharisees. :D

  81. Robbie Goldstein says:

    Moshe Wainer Moshe, I AM Sefardic. Offer your insults elsewhere.

  82. Dan Silagi says:

    I'm in favor of equal rights for all Jews. That's hardly a novel concept, except among the ultra-right-wing morons who post here. And if you're opposed to this, you can kussen Sie mich in Tochas.

  83. Dan Silagi says:

    I'm in favor of equal rights for all Jews. That's hardly a novel concept, except among the ultra-right-wing morons who post here. And if you're opposed to this, you can kussen Sie mich in Tochas.

  84. Annice Benamy says:

    Most Israelis do not support the Orthodox view, which is why so many Israelis are secular. They would support the Progressive views if Progressive Judaism was recognized.

  85. Annice Benamy says:

    Israel is also my homeland. I am not a hater. I have family living in Israel. I don't speak in platitudes, war cries and political slogans.

  86. Annice Benamy says:

    Dan Silagi What are you talking about?! The Orthodox make it impossible for women to sing at the Western Wall (we don't call it the wailing wall anymore), read from the Torah, or anything. Are you even Jewish?

  87. Annice Benamy says:

    I am very much Jewish!!!!!!! Don't spread such vicious lies. WoW are not disturbing anyone. They don't throw dirty diapers at people, throw chairs at men, or any other violence.

  88. Dan Silagi says:

    Do people who come from the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio, speak a dialogue of English that's unrecognizable to folks from New Jersey? Annice, we are on the same side, and yes, I'm Jewish, although some of the ultra-orthodox morons here deny my Jewishness. I think you wanted to respond to Dvir Yaakov's screed.

  89. Robbie Goldstein says:

    Yael Levinson,
    Those "tidbits" are relative to the problem. Agree with them or not, they ARE Jewish sources that do show women are permitted to don Tallit. And this is WOW's complaint- not being permitted to daven in a Tallit, wrap Tifilen and read the Torah at the Kotel for Rosh Chodesh. This is nothing new. That has been their complaint for the last 20 years.

    They have been trying to daven at the Kotel in the way that they feel is right, and have not been allowed to. After 20 years of not getting what they want, they are angry and getting more vocal. That does not exactly sound like a Marxist rebellion to me. Referring to the Reformed and Conservative movements as "Religious Marxists" is a bit off the wall, too. If they have a few leaders that are Anti-Israel, expose them, and get them thrown out of the country. But that does not mean that the entire 400 members are anti-Israel. How they wish to daven is between them and HaShem.

    Judaism has, and has always had, many different groups with a variety of traditions. Some of them clash. But, the Kotel belongs to EVERY Jew, not just 1 specific group. And your bashing American Jews as not knowing what Judaism is, is absurd.

    You have Arabs attacking Jews on the roads, people that have to sleep in bomb shelters every night, and a weak government that does precious little to stop it. Tensions are building with the Arabs and the nations of the world as they try to destroy Israel, and you have many men that refuse to serve in the IDF……and this is the nonsense that worries you???? Oy-Va- Voy~~

  90. Annice Benamy I don't expect you to be an Einstein, but c'mon! A little common sense would be good.
    1 – Most Israelis do support the "Orthodox view" (or, in short, Judaism). All religious denominations plus masorati Jews are the huge majority in the country.
    2 – "Most Israelis do not support the Orthodox view, which is why so many Israelis are secular."
    No, and this is 2nd grade logic. You don't become secular because you oppose one "view" on religion, but because you are not drawn to organized religion or don't believe in God, otherwise secular people would just look for another option instead of becoming… secular! =)

    "They would support the Progressive views if Progressive Judaism was recognized."
    That's because you think most Israelis are like you — people who can't differentiate between politics and religion. But, as I said, here is not America. People do know about Judaism and tend to be more honest to themselves. If they don't like the religion, they don't try to shape it according to their desires, they just leave it.

  91. Robbie Goldstein
    I didn't see any Moshe offending you. I did see him making a valid criticism. You debate bringing loose quotes, ignoring Talmudic discussions and disregarding halakha… seem to me that he is spot on.

  92. Robbie Goldstein
    Apparently you don't really read what I write and just answer whatever you want. As I said, I'm criticizing their methods, not their claims. So these tidbits of history make no difference. And as I said, rabbis do know about all of this, so… why don't they support the cause? =)
    Judaism is not about winning popular support or convincing people,, but about logical discussions using the sacred texts and finding a learned and respected authority to put his weight and name behind it, giving a psak halakha. Simple as that.

    It doesn't matter for how long they've been trying and "what they feel is right" doesn't matter to Judaism. If they are getting angry, I'd recommend an angry management class.
    And if it doesn't sound like "Marxist rebellion" to you, maybe you should think things over. Instead of finding a rabbi who would support their claims, they go to the media screaming about "gender equality" and other "Liberal" concepts that are opposed to Judaism, in order to reach their goals.
    Reform and Conservative "Judaism" are exactly that. Typical leftist movements that use the sophistic device of redefining terms, dressing the atheism of its flock in arbitrarily redefined Jewish terms. Do they follow the Bible? The Talmud? No, in fact, most of their "doctrines" are things such as interfaith marriage, disregarding what the mishna says and what the halakha forbids…
    According to several rabbis, some Christian sects keep more of Judaism then Reform/Conservative "Judaism".

    About the Wow: their leaders are anti-Israel, they are funded by anti-Israel orgs, they support violence against Jews, they side with the enemy… so, assuming that the rest of group doesn't know it… it makes them useful idiots. Useful idiots trying to pervert Judaism even with a somewhat fair cause.
    "How they wish to daven is between them and HaShem.", not in public places, especially in that location. As always, you're mistaking Judaism for Liberalism.
    And since you like to bring loose quotes from the Bible, remember that, in the same Book, Jews are commanded to execute or banish their compatriots for moral offenses committed in the privacy of their homes, and it makes Jewish customs mandatory in Israel even for non-Jews.

    "Judaism has, and has always had, many different groups with a variety of traditions. Some of them clash. But, the Kotel belongs to EVERY Jew, not just 1 specific group."
    Not true. It had a few groups until the Temple was destroyed — it was totally controlled by the Sadducees, the Temple Priests. After the destruction, the only real Jewish sect remaining is the Pharisaic one, the one we follow. Anything other than that is not Judaism.

    My "bashing" is supported by the facts. Only "orthodox" Judaism grows in the US, and most of the Reform movement followers are not even Jewish according to Jewish law anymore.

    "You have Arabs attacking Jews on the roads, people that have to sleep in bomb shelters every night, and a weak government that does precious little to stop it. Tensions are building with the Arabs and the nations of the world as they try to destroy Israel, and you have many men that refuse to serve in the IDF……and this is the nonsense that worries you???? Oy-Va- Voy~~"

    Yeah, and the group you're here supporting is the one who actively helps these same Arabs…
    And to Jews… Jewish law is not "nonsense" ;)

  93. Robbie Goldstein says:

    Yael Levinson, Moshe made a personal remark. It does not matter if you found it insulting or not. He did not make the remark to you, now did he? No, he made it to me, and I found it offensive. Period.

    And yes, I "write and answer whatever I want." I live in the U.S. We do that here. It is called "Freedom of Speech." It does not matter if you agree with it. It does not even matter if you understand it.

    In the fury of your diatribes, you miss my points completely. I am supporting their freedom, and any woman's right, to worship in a tallit, and I gave reasons why. It does not matter if you agree or not. But what is evident is that you enjoy online bullying a little too much.

    And while you are busy bashing the "Marxist" Reformed and Conservative movements for not following Halachah, or that they are even Jewish, I refer you to the immodest picture you post. Ask a Rabbi about that one….

  94. Dan Silagi says:

    Levinson, this is in regard to Annice's post. Yes, most Israelis support Judaism. But that doesn't mean they support orthodox Judaism. The reason why there aren't many Reform and Conservative Jews in Israel is because the Chief Mullahs (er, rabbis) won't give them smicha, so they stay unaffiliated. Your comment also strongly implies that that non-Orthodox Jews really aren't Jewish. That's an insult to about 85% of the world's Jews. Bottom line, you're a jerk.

  95. Dan Silagi says:

    Why thanks, Herb. You've made my day, buddy.

  96. I am all for equality in religous practice but I am totally commited to being a Zionist and will have nothing to do with all these anti Israel groups which, according to this report have connections through the leadership of Women of the Wall. I hope this report is untrue.

  97. Anonymous says:

    Yael, you are RIGHT ON! Great answers!

  98. Great. Now write an article about some of the anti-Israel links from groups like NK, which endorses Ahmadinejad. To be honest, in the Wailing Wall dispute, I don't support either side; for both have the chutzpah to treat the holy Kotel as a battleground for their own political ideology and worldview. But seriously, the WOW do have some legitimate grievances. And the extreme Haredi religion is a cult. They attack women for wearing tefillin. Where in Jewish law does it say that women can't wear tefillin Unlike men, women are NOT obligated to wear tefillin. But they are allowed to wear tefillin. I just find it shameful how both these disagreements get fought in a holy place. According to the rabbis, it was baseless hatred that caused the destruction of the Temple. When will these people ever learn?

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