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To Rally or Not, That is the Question

The heated debate in the settlements this Shabbat revolved around participating in the Haredi anti-draft rally planned for Sunday, or not.

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There were two blocks debating each other in many of the settlements this Shabbat, and both sides raised some very valid points.

On one side are the pro-rally settlers who plan to go join in the Haredi anti-draft protest.

Their positions are as follows:

1. Haredim are currently on target for the army’s annual draft expectations from the Haredi community. At this growth rate, they’ll definitely reach the army’s goals in 2017.

So why in the world is the government suddenly introducing criminal sanctions onto the Haredi community, when, despite the difficulties, they’re meeting their numbers?

2. If this were about all citizens sharing the burden, why are Lapid and friends ignoring the Arabs?

3. If this were really only about the draft, then why were Lapid and friends going after Hesder, until Bennett cut some sort of deal with him?

4. If we don’t stand with the Haredim now, when Lapid and friends go after the settlements (and Hesder), we won’t be able to count on the Haredim as allies.

5. If Lapid and friends succeed, in the next elections, they’ll be big enough to not need Bennett and the restrictions he’s placed on them, and then Hesder, the Settlements and the National-Religious community are really going to really be in trouble.

The pro-rally groups raises some very important points, that seem to indicate that this bill and the attacks on the Haredi community are more about populism, elections, hurting the Torah and the religious sector as a whole.

On the anti-Rally side, the following arguments were put forth:

1. Everyone should do the army, and its not fair to everyone else that the Haredim aren’t doing their share.

2. If the Haredi position was really only about Torah learning and how Torah learning protects the State and they’re sharing in the burden by learning – and not based on an anti-Zionist ideology, then why aren’t they at least saying the prayers for the State and IDF soldiers in their shuls.

Since they don’t, it proves this protest is not about being drafted, but rather not wanting to be a partner in the State of Israel itself and not caring for anyone else outside their community.

3. Lapid won’t be able to hurt the Hesder programs and the religious in the army, because we make up 50% of the combat units, so we don’t need the Haredim as allies for that.

4. The Dati-Leumi and Settler communities simply can’t count on the Haredim to stand by us. They didn’t stand with us during Gush Katif, and they only care about their own communities and whoever pays them enough to support their lifestyles. They don’t care about anyone else’s Torah community besides their own (see Gafni’s threats to destroy Hesder and the settlements).

We gain nothing by standing with them, and some people even said, they’re getting what they deserve.

The anti-Rally group also raises some extremely valid points – essentially the isolationist approach of the Haredi community has proven that Haredim are unreliable allies, and incapable of seeing themselves as part of the greater religious and Jewish community in Israel, and acting on that partnership, so why should we act for them, when we think they should be drafted anyway, just like we are.

What do I conclude from all this?

First of all, there’s no doubt the Haredi community has shot itself in the foot, and the Dati-Leumi community may very well follow in their footsteps.

About the Author: JoeSettler blogs at The Muqata.blogspot.com and occasionally on his own blog at JoeSettler.blogspot.com.


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11 Responses to “To Rally or Not, That is the Question”

  1. Gina Abraham says:

    They should be drafted and contribute to the security of Israel

  2. Eduardo Mazo says:

    they both no authority either both squatters longing for the first.

  3. I can remember a time in the US when poor whites, and blacks (probably more) fought most of the wars particularly Viet Nam. But too many did not want to be there. How did that turn out? It’s not so simple.

  4. writenut says:

    Until Israel is a Rectified Torah State we need to defend it with might. We also need to elevate ourselves and the Land with chesed; loving-kindness as the Torah guides us.
    The efforts of every Jew counts.
    writenut-

  5. Ken Man says:

    Send them back to Eastern Europe if they refuse to participate,

  6. Ken Man says:

    Send them back to Eastern Europe if they refuse to participate,

  7. JoAnn Morris says:

    But these soldiers backed the U.S. Not so in Israel’s case.

  8. It's not so simple to 'compel' a person whose mindset is against serving as a soldier, to be a good one ie. one you would want defending you and your loved ones. Lauds go to Nahal Hareidi units who are successfully studying Torah as well as doing their military service. Find some public service jobs for hareidim who 'refuse' to be soldiers, where they won't be responsible for protecting the lives of citizens! In the scheme of a whole lifetime, the 32-36 months plus sporadic miluim should not even come close to destroying a true scholar's dedication to Torah learning! How much less even would some behind the military lines public service do so?!

  9. Not the point. How well did they back the US? It’s not patriotic to say so, but a lot of these did only what they had to do and often not, were using drugs and stoned, trafficking, heavily involved in crime, running away to Thailand and elsewhere, committing atrocities, fragging their own officers. You’re not supposed to say that, but it’s true in more cases than anyone will admit. That loses wars and it did in Viet Nam. People who do not want to fight are a detriment to the effort. If you don’t believe in the mission, you’ve already lost. People like that lost the war in Viet Nam. The government did not cause the lose–however, they failed to sell it. Attacking what is most important to Hareidim is not selling loyalty to Israel but consolidating resistance and further alienating them. But some Hareidim will fight and distinguish themselves–because they want to fight. You see this complete difference? Punishing them until they are patriotic is absurd in order to create captive soldiers. They aren’t cowards, and they do not lack devotion to a cause. So why do they not believe in Israel and not devoted to it?

  10. Ronny Mol says:

    No one is thinking about the leftists who started this mess. First, all we had to do is go on Channel 2 or 10 and say we will go in the IDF but you MUST retire all women in the IDF. The feminists/leftists would go wild and nothing would get done. Simple. Some people can't see the trees from the forest. Next, I see a revolution in the IDF, as more religious soldiers come in, they can and will take over the country in a bloodless coup. First, secular people are not interested in serving, I mean the young ones. As a coup, end the supreme court. No non Jews in the Knesset. That will be enough to flame the leftists.

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