the problem is that gays do recruit. homosexuality is an entity that cannot survive without recruiting. look at Germany during the second world war there were 4,000,000 males and 2,000,000 of them were homosexuals, dont tell me that they are all born that way all of a sudden, even in the U.S.A. why all of a sudden are there so many coming out of the closet? We do well to take Leviticus 18 verse 22 to heart, as G-d is not mocked.
let me remind you of something else. G-d delivered the Israelites out of slavery while in Egypt and they were few in number. He drove out other nations before them, because of the abominable and detestable things these nations practiced which were evil in the sight of the Lord. and He also warned them not to do likewise. so if you throw out the commandment given in Leviticus 18 verse 22, what have you got left, at least Christians believe christ suffered for these sins of the flesh so that people could repent of same by looking on His suffering and be healed. but if they refuse to repent, then they are also mocking Christ suffering at Calvary.
I am gay and a jew and we DO NOT recruit!!! Were have you ever heard such a strange thing? So many are coming out because they can. If Hashem makes no mistakes, then gay observant Jews should have no fear.
Comment by Mario Vredenburg — January 22, 2014 @ 11:11 AM
Mario Vredenburg i hope you find the courage to come out of the religious closet like you did from the straight one…my heart goes out to you being gay and still stuck in a primitive mindset
If all therapies that are unproven and may even have harmful effects are banned, then a good number of the nation's psychologists and psychiatrists will be out of a job, as will all the homeopathists, and a good number of "mekubalim"…..
Comment by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz — January 22, 2014 @ 11:51 AM
What difference does it make whether or not Jews are "under attack" by homosexuals? What difference does it make whether or not they recruit? Homsexuality is forbidden under both Torah AND the Noachide Laws, and they CANNOT be legalized.
As to (h–vens to betsy!) cooperating with Notzerim, what of it? Is everything the Notzerim believe or do now magically un-kosher? Must Jews disown the Holy Torah because Xian "bibles" contain a translation of it? Perhaps Jews should cease breathing oxygen, since Xians also engage in this practice. You know, this whole thing is getting a little silly. How about going by the Torah and Halakhah rather than looking to what the Xians do and then doing the opposite?
Jews were Theocrats a thousand years before Xianity existed. There was no "freedom of religion" as the post-enlightenment knows it in ancient, Torah Israel. Worshiping a "gxd" who wasn't HaShem was a capital offense. Those ancient Jews also did "primitive, silly" things like engage in sacrificial rituals that Voltaire and Thomas Jefferson (today's Jewish authorities, apparently) would have been unable to justify.
There is on Facebook a page for Jewish Polygamists, since quite correctly they note that the Torah does not require monogamy (provided that there are multiple wives, but no multiple husbands). Hopefully it won't bee too long until we see a Facebook page for advocates of Jewish Theocracy.
Comment by Roy Neal Grissom — January 22, 2014 @ 9:09 PM
As a lesbian and as a person with Jewish ancestry, thank you.
Thank you Rabbi Fink for speaking the words that so many Orthodox rabbis are afraid to say. Yasher Koach! You are literally saving lives!
Comment by Justin Spiro — January 23, 2014 @ 3:16 AM
"I see no reason that the normalization of LGBT people would have any more of an effect on Orthodox Jewish society than the normalization of eating McDonald’s will make Orthodox Jews start eating Mickey D’s." – So true, as is that teaching sex-ed does not encourage kids to have sex. Moreover, he strikes right at the heart of the matter when he says "I can think of at least a few dozen matters that deserve more attention and derision than this issue. Let’s refocus the collective energy and place it on other things that matter more." The reason social/cultural conservatives have focused on this is because they've joined at the hip to the economic conservatives who oppose the socioeconomic message of most religions. Hence their poor reaction to the pope's statements about gays and atheists and to his renewed emphasis on social justice and responsibility.
''Soon the king Messiah he will bring to trial all the clowns who mocked the Creator.
The world is in chaos, do not believe you know for a moment what the future holds. All this makes the Creator completely in charge of the whole world, without exception. We must cry to the Creator. With all the Jews crying out to the Creator, to mend this world, the king Messiah will put this entire world in a state of order!' (from the last message from rabbi Nir ben Artzi ) CAN YOU HEAR r. FINK?
Comment by Ben Yosef Shomer — January 23, 2014 @ 4:32 PM
Mario then I suppose you dont believe in the Lord G-d of Israel, who gave the commandment in Leviticus 18 verse 22 that for a man to lie with another man is an abomination? And that he sent Christ who suffered for these sins of the body on Golgotha, so that we could look to Him and repent and receive forgiveness? and do you remember that when G-d delivered the Israelites out of Egypt, when few in number he drove out other nations before them, because they practiced abominable and detestable things which were evil in the eyes of the Lord? G-d does not change but remains the same and His Word abide forever. I feel sad for you.
mario vredenburg, homosexuality is an entity that cannot survive on its own. so they need to recruit as during the time of the second world war there were 4,000,000 males in Germany 2,000,000 of them were homosexuals, the birth rate plummeted the reason they were put in prison to discourage them from recruiting. this is the reason homosexuality is taught to the children that is normal part of the gay agenda re recruiting.
So you are claiming that the LGBT is not under attack by cultural conservative? The denial of same-sex marriage rights by governments does not constitute discrimination in your opinion? The LGBT community does not need government to step in and quash any sort of discrimination? I know you don't trust government in general but do you really trust private organization (such as corporations) to behave decently towards LGBT members? Or churches? Or state governments in the US? I know you claim to support gay marriage and non-discrimination towards LGBT but you effectively deny it since you don't trust government and believe that its support of LGBT rights is all an act. You think that its support comes with unacceptable strings attached yet how many members of the LGBT community give a damn about those strings? I doubt all that many. I find it hard to believe that most LGBT servicemen and servicewomen opposed the repeal of DADT. I doubt the LGBT community rejects Obama's public support. I doubt they'd reject the Supreme Court's recent decisions on Prop 8 and Windsor. But you do which effectively puts you on the side of the homophobes since I doubt they care WHY you oppose all of this – They only care that you oppose it.
Ofer Kalifon I trust churches to behave decently toward LGBT people far more than I trust the federal government to do so. Churches aren't spying on gay people or groping them at the airport or giving them proctology exams, or stealing from them, or murdering them if they get too close to a story.
The LGBT's are under far worse attack by the "liberals' than the conservatives, it's the liberals who are attacking our civil rights. It's fine for gays to embrace the "strings attached" to federal government support, I'm just saying those strings are attached to a 1000 pound anvil that's going to fall on all our heads, gay and straight alike.
I don't care what LGBT service people think of DADT, their opinion on the military industrial complex is far more important to me. Further, when gay rights is being discussed at the top levels of power, it isn't about gay rights. It's about the NWO agenda of sterilization and population control and hate speech regulations, and the pedophilia rampant at the heart of the Anglo-American power structure, and while we're at it demonziing Putin so gays here won't care that we're bombing him.
I am from the Five Towns and my dear cousin, The Legendary Danny O'Doul, used to write for the 5TJT, where he was the "Cousin Marilyn" (from 'The Munsters') of the paper. Larry who publishes the paper is a good guy and the paper is free, but it has thousands of advertisers … so a little controversy sells even "free" papers better! Trust me we don't have a big problem here with LGBT members running around trying to recruit the other team… but, we do have our fare share of "fruit loops" and "LB's" (loony bins!) who mostly just talk on their cellphones while driving Mercedes and huge SUV's and walk into walls on The Avenue because they are texting while walking!
Comment by Benny Gamal — January 28, 2014 @ 5:21 AM