this is important information for the temporal , vital information for eternity is found in Daniel 9 , it is there one find the precise timing of the coming of Messiah ?
Comment by Vogelgesang Sylvie — October 10, 2013 @ 4:37 PM
it is not only the left wing who are angry about rav ovadia and oslo. also all the victims of oslo and do not tell me a rabbi who knows torah, does not know the verses that say you cannot make peace with the wicked. no he was wrong and people died. why should we rejoice because he said whoops mistake years later. the dead are still dead.
This article is misleading. Rav Ovadia z"l ruled that, theoretically, it would be permissible to give up land to achieve peace if the military and political leadership truly believed that a peace agreement would enhance the security of the state and save lives in both the immediate and long term. He did not rule that the government must at that time sign the Oslo accords. His later statements indicate that he did not believe that the P.A. could be trusted and that he believed that the P.A. were enemies of the Jewish People and needed to be fought as an enemy. That does not contradict his original ruling that, in theory, land can be given up for peace. His original ruling was to counter a prevailing opinion in the National Religious camp that it is sinful to give up land under any circumstances and that it was ontologically impossible to achieve piece by giving up land. I believe that this article is both incorrect and irresponsible. It is not, in fact, "eye opening" at all.
Rav Ovadia z"l did not believe ch"v that he "stood higher than G-d." He believed that the halakha in our times does not prohibit forfeiting land for the sake of piece and he believed that this was what the Torah actually sanctioned. The fact that the prophets promise that ultimately there will be a return of the shvatim and the land will all be in our control does not, in the opinion of Rav Ovadia, mean that we are prohibited from surrendering land if we believe that a peace agreement will increase the security of the state. Later, Rav Ovadia expressed the opinion that peace with the Palestinians was not presently possible, but that does not mean he retracted his halakhic ruling. His halakhic ruling was not applicable to a situation where we believe that a territorial compromise would decrease security and lead to greater loss of life. His ruling applied only to situations where one believes that a territorial compromise would lead to increased security and would save lives. Whether a peace plan will work is a political question and not a halakhic question. Whether, in theory, one can give up land in certain scenarios is a halakhic question. One needs to separate halakhic rulings form political opinions. I believe if you would read his teshuva on this you would not ask such questions. Again this news article is entirely misleading and you appear to be among those misled by it.
What a load of crap this article is. We judge a man by his actions not his words, and Ovadia Kesef was ready to support Oslo up to the day he died. In fact, he was ready to support the "Peace" process even after the most recent elections a couple of months ago, in return for Sha$ being in the government. In the end, Sha$ didn't make it into the government, not because of anything having to do with the "Peace" process, but because Yair Lapid of the Yesh Atid party declared that he would not sit in the same government as any Haredi party, so Bibi chose Lapid over the Haredi parties. This is the same reason that Degel HaTorah is not in the government this time either.
What a load of crap this article is. We judge a man by his actions, not his words, and Ovadia Kesef was ready to support Oslo up to the day he died. In fact, he was ready to support the "Peace" process even after the most recent elections a couple of months ago, in return for Sha$ being in the government. In the end, Sha$ didn't make it into the government, not because of anything having to do with the "Peace" process, but because Yair Lapid of the Yesh Atid party declared that he would not sit in the same government as any Haredi party, so Bibi chose Lapid over the Haredi parties. This is the same reason that Degel HaTorah is not in the government this time either.
I have always been against the concept of land for peace. One of the reasons is Israel is a tiny country who has already given up land that was rightfully theirs religiously, politically, and morally. The other reason is, it simply does not work. Land for peace has never achieved peace, all it does is embolden the enemy to become even more violent and less rational. Land for peace is a form of appeasement and as history has shown on multiple occasions, appeasement fails miserably. This is the reason why I am also against other forms of appeasement like releasing Palestinian terrorists from prison, what did it achieve in the latest round of “peace talks.” Is Israel any closer to peace with the Palestinians now than they were before they released the terrorists from prison? Have the Palestinians reciprocated by making any concessions of their own? If anything, things have gotten worse because of increased violence against innocent Israelis. The same holds true with settlement freezes. It has become a popular cliché for the international community to claim that settlements are the obstacle to peace. If this is the case, why has there been no peace when Israel stopped settlement building in the past? The obstacle to peace has been the unwillingness of the Arabs to live as responsible, normal neighbors with Israel and no amount of appeasement will change this fact.